I've been trying to like this DAW for about 2 years now and I just don't. It's not intuitive enough for me and it takes me forever to get anything done with it. As a result, I haven't been recording much, because using that thing feels like a fucking chore to me. I know it's all a matter of using it more and getting the hang of it but meh. I just don't like the fucking thing.
I used to use Sonar and I was really happy with it for the most part but I know it's a heavy DAW on the RAM/CPU and the newer versions (x1/2) are not as good as the older ones.
So what's the most intuitive DAW software out there?? I want something with the simplest learning curve for things like punch-ins (a real pain on Reaper), volume/tempo changes automation etc...
I don't really need any advanced sequencing or MIDI capabilities, on that side all I ask is to be compatible with SSD4 and EZD2. Other than that, I just need a glorified multi-track recorder
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To be honest cubassis (the cut down version) is good enough.
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I was thinking about Cubase because I have a Steinberg interface. It originally came with a download card for a lite version of it and I think I lost it or threw it out.
I think the cut down version should be fine for me..
is it really easy to use?
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I really like Cubase. Unfortunately, i guess DAWs are kinda individual specific. Some will tell you how much they hate Cubase. I started with Cakewalk Pro Audio 6 , i think back in 97 or so. Then i switched to.cubase a few years later, so i was comfortable in cakewalk, but i still found switching to cubase was easy and now i know it like the back of my hand. If i were recording you and you hit a spot where you fucked up and you wanted to punch it in, I'd be ready to go before you could turn your guitar volume back up.. lol. It'd be playing 4 measures before your punch and automated to punch right where you want.. Super easy..
GuitarBilly wrote:I was thinking about Cubase because I have a Steinberg interface. It originally came with a download card for a lite version of it and I think I lost it or threw it out.
I think the cut down version should be fine for me..
is it really easy to use?
I think so as endtime said. Its like any software there are things to learn. I tried reaper but I went back to cubase pretty quick.
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I have Sonar X1 but I don't even like it as much as the older versions. I started using the stripped down version of Cubase 6 that came with my Yamaha THR and I like it wayy better than Sonar X1
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Another vote for Cubase. I'm using Cubase 5 which is pretty old (released in 2009 I think) but it's very flexible and I think it's easy to use. I think the best organized and most user friendly DAW is PreSonus Studio One, but it's not quite as flexible with routing and MIDI as some other DAWs, and I found the 2.5 update to have been a step backwards in CPU optimization which is why I ditched it.
I bought ProTools 10, last year, as my first foray into the world of digital recording. The learning curve was a bit longer than I expected but, I was able to make some basic recordings within an hour after installing. I never worked with any other brand of DAW so, I can't tell you if it's any easier or harder to work with then Reaper.
A year into ProTools and I have no real complaints... except when they released PT11, they discontinued RTAS plugins and I have $1K in RTAS plugins... the filthy bastards!!!
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Loins of Fire wrote:Pro Tools is as simple and intuitive as it gets in my opinion. I think that's the reason its so popular. Nothing is holding back creativity.
You don't think.it has anything to do with the fact that the earliest pro tools is what replaced analog recording in the pro studios?
Its simply a name at this point. And was prettyuch only a name back then. Especially their consumer level line. If you went all in on their hd lines, then you were playing with the best, but otherwise pro tools is no different or better than anything else.. It also used to be you had to use digidesign hardware only for Protools.
Loins of Fire wrote:Pro Tools is as simple and intuitive as it gets in my opinion. I think that's the reason its so popular. Nothing is holding back creativity.
You don't think.it has anything to do with the fact that the earliest pro tools is what replaced analog recording in the pro studios?
Its simply a name at this point. And was prettyuch only a name back then. Especially their consumer level line. If you went all in on their hd lines, then you were playing with the best, but otherwise pro tools is no different or better than anything else.. It also used to be you had to use digidesign hardware only for Protools.
So if I go with Cubase... is the slimmed down "Elements" version good enough for what I plan to do, which is:
- run EZ drummer 2 for drum tracks - record guitars, bass, vocals etc with a mic (no re-amping or IRs of any kind) - add effects like reverb and delay - mix and export to .wav and/or mp3s
Very simple, I think. Can I go with the Elements version or should I save up for the full version?
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Loins of Fire wrote:Pro Tools is as simple and intuitive as it gets in my opinion. I think that's the reason its so popular. Nothing is holding back creativity.
You don't think.it has anything to do with the fact that the earliest pro tools is what replaced analog recording in the pro studios?
Its simply a name at this point. And was prettyuch only a name back then. Especially their consumer level line. If you went all in on their hd lines, then you were playing with the best, but otherwise pro tools is no different or better than anything else.. It also used to be you had to use digidesign hardware only for Protools.
I think its easy to use. Is that cool with you?
Lol. You always do that. With that kinda response if i respond to sumthin specific you said.. You say sumthin, like its so popular for a reason and thats cauae of its ease of use. Ok. But its so popular cause it was the first real digital name in the pro studios. Just clarifying that a bit. You cool with that?
GuitarBilly wrote:So if I go with Cubase... is the slimmed down "Elements" version good enough for what I plan to do, which is:
- run EZ drummer 2 for drum tracks - record guitars, bass, vocals etc with a mic (no re-amping or IRs of any kind) - add effects like reverb and delay - mix and export to .wav and/or mp3s
Very simple, I think. Can I go with the Elements version or should I save up for the full version?
I just read up on it and it seems like those things should be no sweat for it, BUT it looks like it doesn't have a MIDI editor. That means you should probably be able to still import/drag and drop MIDI patterns/loops or whatever for drums, and probably still record them with a MIDI controller if you have one, but it sounds like you won't have the piano roll editor to create drum tracks from scratch with the mouse (and probably wouldn't be able to do any quantizing/humanizing/editing to MIDI tracks that already exist). There are also some other limitations like lower track counts/FX channel counts/numbers of inputs and outputs, but those probably wouldn't matter much unless you're doing some really elaborate, creative mixing.
Also it looks like to bounce to mp3 (rather than wav), you have to pay $16 to buy their mp3 encoder.
Personally I don't think I could deal with not having a MIDI editor since I don't want to be limited to just premade MIDI loops/tracks (and no ability to make small tweaks to them either), but if you're ok with that, it seems like it would fit the bill.
Loins of Fire wrote:Pro Tools is as simple and intuitive as it gets in my opinion. I think that's the reason its so popular. Nothing is holding back creativity.
You don't think.it has anything to do with the fact that the earliest pro tools is what replaced analog recording in the pro studios?
Its simply a name at this point. And was prettyuch only a name back then. Especially their consumer level line. If you went all in on their hd lines, then you were playing with the best, but otherwise pro tools is no different or better than anything else.. It also used to be you had to use digidesign hardware only for Protools.
I think its easy to use. Is that cool with you?
Lol. You always do that. With that kinda response if i respond to sumthin specific you said.. You say sumthin, like its so popular for a reason and thats cauae of its ease of use. Ok. But its so popular cause it was the first real digital name in the pro studios. Just clarifying that a bit. You cool with that?
Guess not..
You get up my ass for every post i make lately, even if it's personal opinion and not debatable. Honestly it's becoming really fucking annoying. Get off my nuts dude.
Pro tools is only the industry standard because it was the first DAW 23 years ago. Let's go with that...
GuitarBilly wrote:So if I go with Cubase... is the slimmed down "Elements" version good enough for what I plan to do, which is:
- run EZ drummer 2 for drum tracks - record guitars, bass, vocals etc with a mic (no re-amping or IRs of any kind) - add effects like reverb and delay - mix and export to .wav and/or mp3s
Very simple, I think. Can I go with the Elements version or should I save up for the full version?
I just read up on it and it seems like those things should be no sweat for it, BUT it looks like it doesn't have a MIDI editor. That means you should probably be able to still import/drag and drop MIDI patterns/loops or whatever for drums, and probably still record them with a MIDI controller if you have one, but it sounds like you won't have the piano roll editor to create drum tracks from scratch with the mouse (and probably wouldn't be able to do any quantizing/humanizing/editing to MIDI tracks that already exist). There are also some other limitations like lower track counts/FX channel counts/numbers of inputs and outputs, but those probably wouldn't matter much unless you're doing some really elaborate, creative mixing.
Also it looks like to bounce to mp3 (rather than wav), you have to pay $16 to buy their mp3 encoder.
Personally I don't think I could deal with not having a MIDI editor since I don't want to be limited to just premade MIDI loops/tracks (and no ability to make small tweaks to them either), but if you're ok with that, it seems like it would fit the bill.
Thank you for posting this chart, looks like I will need the full version then. $499. Fuck me running.
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Billy, if you haven't already, seriously check out Tracktion. The price is great and it is super simple to use! It is has a full feature list as well as a midi editor. EZDrummer works with this very well, and it is uses very little CPU.
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GuitarBilly wrote:So if I go with Cubase... is the slimmed down "Elements" version good enough for what I plan to do, which is:
- run EZ drummer 2 for drum tracks - record guitars, bass, vocals etc with a mic (no re-amping or IRs of any kind) - add effects like reverb and delay - mix and export to .wav and/or mp3s
Very simple, I think. Can I go with the Elements version or should I save up for the full version?
I just read up on it and it seems like those things should be no sweat for it, BUT it looks like it doesn't have a MIDI editor. That means you should probably be able to still import/drag and drop MIDI patterns/loops or whatever for drums, and probably still record them with a MIDI controller if you have one, but it sounds like you won't have the piano roll editor to create drum tracks from scratch with the mouse (and probably wouldn't be able to do any quantizing/humanizing/editing to MIDI tracks that already exist). There are also some other limitations like lower track counts/FX channel counts/numbers of inputs and outputs, but those probably wouldn't matter much unless you're doing some really elaborate, creative mixing.
Also it looks like to bounce to mp3 (rather than wav), you have to pay $16 to buy their mp3 encoder.
Personally I don't think I could deal with not having a MIDI editor since I don't want to be limited to just premade MIDI loops/tracks (and no ability to make small tweaks to them either), but if you're ok with that, it seems like it would fit the bill.
Thank you for posting this chart, looks like I will need the full version then. $499. Fuck me running.
Or make peace with Reaper…
I hated it on my Mac before going to Logic Express 9. Logic, to me is named very appropriately. For someone with no formal training (William Hung anyone?), I am retty satisfied with the recordings I have been getting.
Yeah, if you have a Mac, $200 for Logic Pro is a no brainer deal. Lots of useful plugins already there, and tons of tracking ability. You can use it right out of the gate to make tracks, and if you want to get in depth all it takes is some training or one of those tutorial books to walk you through the nitty gritty details. I had one somewhere that walked you through producing a couple pop tunes (stems included and you go from there through the book) and by the time I finished the book I felt like even if I wasn't great as using the tools I at least understood HOW to use them.
But if you're on Windows, I don't know what would be equivalent.
GuitarBilly wrote:So if I go with Cubase... is the slimmed down "Elements" version good enough for what I plan to do, which is:
- run EZ drummer 2 for drum tracks - record guitars, bass, vocals etc with a mic (no re-amping or IRs of any kind) - add effects like reverb and delay - mix and export to .wav and/or mp3s
Very simple, I think. Can I go with the Elements version or should I save up for the full version?
I just read up on it and it seems like those things should be no sweat for it, BUT it looks like it doesn't have a MIDI editor. That means you should probably be able to still import/drag and drop MIDI patterns/loops or whatever for drums, and probably still record them with a MIDI controller if you have one, but it sounds like you won't have the piano roll editor to create drum tracks from scratch with the mouse (and probably wouldn't be able to do any quantizing/humanizing/editing to MIDI tracks that already exist). There are also some other limitations like lower track counts/FX channel counts/numbers of inputs and outputs, but those probably wouldn't matter much unless you're doing some really elaborate, creative mixing.
Also it looks like to bounce to mp3 (rather than wav), you have to pay $16 to buy their mp3 encoder.
Personally I don't think I could deal with not having a MIDI editor since I don't want to be limited to just premade MIDI loops/tracks (and no ability to make small tweaks to them either), but if you're ok with that, it seems like it would fit the bill.
Thank you for posting this chart, looks like I will need the full version then. $499. Fuck me running.
7.0 can be bought new for $411 on Amazon.
Maybe see if you can snag an older version for cheap on Ebay or something? I've yet to feel limited with Cubase 5 and I've been using it since like 2010 (trying some other DAWs off and on in between).
PreSonus Studio One Producer 2 is $200 new. I really liked Studio One's layout a lot, it's probably the best organized and most user-friendly DAW out there. That comes at the cost of being not quite as flexible as some other stuff out there, but honestly, still more than adequate. The CPU usage seemed to be not as optimized going from version 2.0 to 2.5, but that was only an issue for me because I was running tape and console simulation plugins on every track (2.0 could handle it, 2.5 couldn't). Its MIDI editor doesn't have a ton of bells and whistles like Cubase but it's still easy to use and pretty damn good. I think it's a really good DAW.
Ah, just looked and Producer One Artist 2 is only $100 and has almost everything you need, just doesn't have the ability to export to mp3! Here's a comparison between the different versions of Studio One and it looks like Artist is a bargain considering you're not really missing out on any HUGE features. The free version even looks like it might be enough to hold you over for a while! http://www.presonus.com/products/studio ... e-versions
