I think I'm done with modeling

[Landshark]

Is that a Randall V2? I remember really liking that amp back in the day.

yeah, just got it a few months ago. sounds great!

How are you digging the Tone-X?

haven't had much time to mess with it ... been busy with house/yard stuff, and cleaned up my rat's nest of cables and organized everything nice and neat on the pedalboard. hopefully next week i can spend more time with it.

[screamingdaisy]

Best part about modelling is that the competition forced tube amp designs to sound better turned down, and now we have tube amps with built in DIs and IRs.

[GuitarBilly]

Best part about modelling is that the competition forced tube amp designs to sound better turned down, and now we have tube amps with built in DIs and IRs.

The built-in DIs in tube is definitely a benefit from the competition.
As far as sounding better turned down, I don't know... good master volume amps have been around for a long time. I've never had an issue with that and I've been using tube amps since the late 80s.

[screamingdaisy]

As far as sounding better turned down, I don't know... good master volume amps have been around for a long time. I've never had an issue with that and I've been using tube amps since the late 80s.

I'm always torn on this subject. I like Rectifiers for instance, but I don't think they sound good until they're above 11:00 on the master volume. I got used to how they sounded cranked up, and now when I turn them down I think they sound like a can of bees.

Anyway, the big shift I've noticed is that 20 years ago 100w was the flagship, 50w was a stripped down budget version, and anything below 50w that wasn't an AC30/Deluxe was a practice amp. Now we're seeing more serious, full featured amps in the 25-50w range.

[GuitarBilly]

As far as sounding better turned down, I don't know... good master volume amps have been around for a long time. I've never had an issue with that and I've been using tube amps since the late 80s.

I'm always torn on this subject. I like Rectifiers for instance, but I don't think they sound good until they're above 11:00 on the master volume. I got used to how they sounded cranked up, and now when I turn them down I think they sound like a can of bees.

Anyway, the big shift I've noticed is that 20 years ago 100w was the flagship, 50w was a stripped down budget version, and anything below 50w that wasn't an AC30/Deluxe was a practice amp. Now we're seeing more serious, full featured amps in the 25-50w range.

This is true especially in the under 30w range. 50w flagships have been around for a long time like the 1987 Plexi, 2204 JMP/800 ,Hiwatt 504 etc... but the under 30w category definitely has gotten better over the years.

I never had issues getting a good low volume tone out of rectifier. I think the trick was to put the master volume at noon and bring the channel volume up slowly. Or vice-versa, I can't remember

[maggotspawn]

Modeling is like fapping.
It's OK in a pinch, but it's not half as good as real sex with a hotty

[andvari7]

Okay, so I wasn’t perfect with my predictions, but I did get the ball rolling on the ampless rig:

1. I am going to reach out to Kurt Steier, at Chicago Iron, in the hopes that he can fix my Parachute wah. The rack is missing some teeth, and I want to address a volume drop with it. Not a burning priority, but I like having working shit.
2. Lather, rinse, repeat for my Pigtronix EP-2.
3. I bought a Tech 21 VT Bass Deluxe. I have enough experience with it that I am confident that I will get a good sound out of it, especially on bass.
4. This leaves me with the need to buy small pedals: Flanger, chorus, delay, filter, ring modulator, Whammy, and a fuzz. Suggestions?

[GuitarBilly]

Buy a Boss MS-3 it will handle all your effects needs except maybe fuzz. Although it does have a decent fuzz built-in. But fuzz is a very personal thing. What kind of fuzz are you looking for?

[andvari7]

I like Big Muffs and Big Cheeses. I am a big fan of the weird effects, which is why Lovetone holds a special place in my heart. I’m seriously considering going to Lovetone clones and successors - ThorpyFX make a few, with the help of Lovetone’s co-founder, Dan Coggins. They don’t make a Ring Stinger or a Meatball, but I can find clones of those easily enough.

[spawnofthesith]

Tequila Tuesday musing not relevant to any current discussion, but I feel like, at least at one point, one of the pitches for modeling was that it was easier and simpler to use then a trad setup.

In 2023 I think it’s pretty fucking apparent that thst isn’t the case anymore. I go to a modeling section on any forum anymore and all the discussions appear as Sumerian pictographs crossed with Thai alphabet. And I’m not thst old either

Y’all trying to tell me dialing a Mesa is hard?

[andvari7]

I took to modeling, as a smaller setup. While I was right, it has its drawbacks. My new approach, a pedalboard and a Sansamp, should accomplish the same thing, and sound as good as the pedals I want to use, because it will be made up of the pedals I want to use.

[GuitarBilly]

Yeah, sound quality aside, I think Line6 got it right the first time with the original POD. That was as easy to use to use as any other guitar rig out there. It would be great if they released a new one with modern technology.

The Katanas have a good interface too.

But fuck diving into menus and endless tweaking to get a decent tone.

[greatmutah]

Tequila Tuesday musing not relevant to any current discussion, but I feel like, at least at one point, one of the pitches for modeling was that it was easier and simpler to use then a trad setup.

In 2023 I think it’s pretty fucking apparent that thst isn’t the case anymore. I go to a modeling section on any forum anymore and all the discussions appear as Sumerian pictographs crossed with Thai alphabet. And I’m not thst old either

Y’all trying to tell me dialing a Mesa is hard?

I see those posts with Fractal stuff and some of the patches with Helix stuff was like that. I think some of it is getting a little easier again but some of the things folks put together just to get a decent sound sometimes is over the top. And I get it. I’ve got a couple higher end amps, some good pedals and I like to tweak stuff too. But some of the things I see in the modeling world isn’t really any easier. Shit some of it is like doing calculus.

[primeholy]

Tequila Tuesday musing not relevant to any current discussion, but I feel like, at least at one point, one of the pitches for modeling was that it was easier and simpler to use then a trad setup.

In 2023 I think it’s pretty fucking apparent that thst isn’t the case anymore. I go to a modeling section on any forum anymore and all the discussions appear as Sumerian pictographs crossed with Thai alphabet. And I’m not thst old either

Y’all trying to tell me dialing a Mesa is hard?

I see those posts with Fractal stuff and some of the patches with Helix stuff was like that. I think some of it is getting a little easier again but some of the things folks put together just to get a decent sound sometimes is over the top. And I get it. I’ve got a couple higher end amps, some good pedals and I like to tweak stuff too. But some of the things I see in the modeling world isn’t really any easier. Shit some of it is like doing calculus.

Yes. Plugging into my amp is much simpler than fucking with patches on my helix. Lower volume stuff might sound better ish, but it’s a hassle if you don’t sit down with your modeler periodically to stay familiar with it, which i don’t do.

[primeholy]

Tequila Tuesday musing not relevant to any current discussion, but I feel like, at least at one point, one of the pitches for modeling was that it was easier and simpler to use then a trad setup.

In 2023 I think it’s pretty fucking apparent that thst isn’t the case anymore. I go to a modeling section on any forum anymore and all the discussions appear as Sumerian pictographs crossed with Thai alphabet. And I’m not thst old either

Y’all trying to tell me dialing a Mesa is hard?

I see those posts with Fractal stuff and some of the patches with Helix stuff was like that. I think some of it is getting a little easier again but some of the things folks put together just to get a decent sound sometimes is over the top. And I get it. I’ve got a couple higher end amps, some good pedals and I like to tweak stuff too. But some of the things I see in the modeling world isn’t really any easier. Shit some of it is like doing calculus.

Yes. Plugging into my amp is much simpler than fucking with patches on my helix. Lower volume stuff might sound better ish, but it’s a hassle if you don’t sit down with your modeler periodically to stay familiar with it, which i don’t do.

[spawnofthesith]

Yes. Plugging into my amp is much simpler than fucking with patches on my helix. Lower volume stuff might sound better ish, but it’s a hassle if you don’t sit down with your modeler periodically to stay familiar with it, which i don’t do.

[primeholy]

Yes. Plugging into my amp is much simpler than fucking with patches on my helix. Lower volume stuff might sound better ish, but it’s a hassle if you don’t sit down with your modeler periodically to stay familiar with it, which i don’t do.

[GuitarBilly]

Yes. Plugging into my amp is much simpler than fucking with patches on my helix. Lower volume stuff might sound better ish, but it’s a hassle if you don’t sit down with your modeler periodically to stay familiar with it, which i don’t do.

[VTM]

Yes. Plugging into my amp is much simpler than fucking with patches on my helix. Lower volume stuff might sound better ish, but it’s a hassle if you don’t sit down with your modeler periodically to stay familiar with it, which i don’t do.

[greatmutah]

Yes. Plugging into my amp is much simpler than fucking with patches on my helix. Lower volume stuff might sound better ish, but it’s a hassle if you don’t sit down with your modeler periodically to stay familiar with it, which i don’t do.

[linthat22]

Why yes, I do plug into my modeler on the last patch I had used and I'm happy thus far, what's the complaint against merriment or having a good guffaw?

[nightflameauto]

Not trying to start a board war or whatever, but I just read on SSO that somebody said Metallic always sounded like shit UNTIL they started using the assfx. That gave me a nice chuckle.

[greatmutah]

Not trying to start a board war or whatever, but I just read on SSO that somebody said Metallic always sounded like shit UNTIL they started using the assfx. That gave me a nice chuckle.

I mean they’re entitled to that opinion.

[spawnofthesith]

Not trying to start a board war or whatever, but I just read on SSO that somebody said Metallic always sounded like shit UNTIL they started using the assfx. That gave me a nice chuckle.

There's more syllables in the abbreviation "SSO" than there are collective brain cells over there

[GuitarBilly]

Not trying to start a board war or whatever, but I just read on SSO that somebody said Metallic always sounded like shit UNTIL they started using the assfx. That gave me a nice chuckle.

It makes total sense. I mean, if the guy had good ears, he wouldn't be using the guitar computer. Let alone defending it. The thing about dumb people is they don't know their dumb. That's what makes them dumb.