Latency in computer Multitrack recording...

[RIFF]

I recently built a new comp, has an Asus Z77 motherboard, I5, built in Realtek audio.
Ive got Win 7- 64 bit, Adobe Audition CC.

With my OLD XP beast I never had issues, had a Hercules sound card with a breakout box.


Micing- I tried running a little external Behringer USB 302 preamp, into USB, then tried running its line out to the line in on PC. Lag either way. Tried messing with record device settings, removed all effects, etc. Didnt wanna dick with it too much before just getting some advice from guys who have dealt with this already.

My logic says the latency would be coming from Win 7, or possibly the internal soundcard.

Any advice?

[wrongnote85]

i cannot help, but i'm interested in this as well. i'm pretty new to computer recording and have NO idea how latency works or even what it is.

[RustyMetal]

... I tried running a little external Behringer USB 302 preamp, into USB, then tried running its line out to the line in on PC. ...

You connected the usb of the 302 to the computer, then also ran the line out to the computer?
If I understand you right, you're creating a loop.

Look in your sound devices control panel and select/use the microphone input of the mixer drivers by temporarily setting it to the default. The (rca) line in/out on the mixer is for devices, or chaining mixers/devices together afaik.

Edit: Wait, it's the 802 and 1202 that have the rca's for chaining devices. On the 302 you should only need to connect the usb to the computer, then select that device in you sound settings control panel.
http://www.behringer.com/assets/302USB_WebBrochure.pdf

[fretless]

what is the buffer set to in the ASIO

[Markdude]

The line in on your PC is going to use WDM drivers, which have pretty awful latency. Why are you using the line in since the Behringer is an audio interface? Make sure the drivers for the Behringer are installed, then select it in your audio devices list in your DAW and make sure it's set to ASIO drivers. Then adjust the buffer setting if the sound is crackly (too low of a buffer) or there's still noticeable latency (too high of a buffer). You don't need to route the output of the Behringer into any other kind of input. It's a USB audio interface, so it will take the signal, convert it to digital, and record into tracks in your DAW.

[ajaxlepinski]

Not sure about your software but, Pro Tools needs to record on a 7200+ rpm external hard drive.
If you try to record and playback on the computer, you wind up with all sorts of latency issues.
Hope this helps bro!!!

[RIFF]

... I tried running a little external Behringer USB 302 preamp, into USB, then tried running its line out to the line in on PC. ...

You connected the usb of the 302 to the computer, then also ran the line out to the computer?
If I understand you right, you're creating a loop.

Look in your sound devices control panel and select/use the microphone input of the mixer drivers by temporarily setting it to the default. The (rca) line in/out on the mixer is for devices, or chaining mixers/devices together afaik.
http://www.behringer.com/assets/302USB_WebBrochure.pdf

The line in on your PC is going to use WDM drivers, which have pretty awful latency. Why are you using the line in since the Behringer is an audio interface? Make sure the drivers for the Behringer are installed, then select it in your audio devices list in your DAW and make sure it's set to ASIO drivers. Then adjust the buffer setting if the sound is crackly (too low of a buffer) or there's still noticeable latency (too high of a buffer). You don't need to route the output of the Behringer into any other kind of input. It's a USB audio interface, so it will take the signal, convert it to digital, and record into tracks in your DAW.

I tried each one separately, 1st the USB whilst listening thru the internal soundcards output. Being plug & play it needed no drivers to function, I selected it as default. Had no idea yet that Id need to install other drivers for it to work lag free on USB, so I guess thats my next step.

I didnt use USB & line in simultaneously, just ran it as a preamp to the line in to check latency, just in case. Disregarding the internal sound entirely & plugging the headphones into the 302 was best yet, but still lagged enuf to throw shit off, so yeah, Ill look up the ASIO drivers & try em.

what is the buffer set to in the ASIO

Nutn set yet, but Ill be foolin with that tomorrow.

Not sure about your software but, Pro Tools needs to record on a 7200+ rpm external hard drive.
If you try to record and playback on the computer, you wind up with all sorts of latency issues.
Hope this helps bro!!!

External drive? It must plug straight into the AI! I know USB has a limited bandwidth & I KNOW a dedicated PCI interface would be best, but I know guys do this kinda thing everyday.
Ill try those drivers tomorrow & see whadup. Time to crack open a brew now! :beer:

[nightflameauto]

I don't think you necessarily have to have an external drive. I think you just want a separate physical drive from the one your OS is on, as that could be attempting read/writes while you're in a recording session causing issues.

It's been a long time since I've used Windows for recording so I won't be much help on the software end.

[Markdude]

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, you'll definitely need to use ASIO drivers. Recording without them will be a latency nightmare. And recording anything with your onboard sound card will also be a latency/sound quality nightmare. I just looked at Behringer's website and it says "ultra-low latency driver downloadable" on the page for the 302USB, so definitely give that a try.

[RustyMetal]

Well yeah, you need drivers for most anything like that. You will probably need the ASIO4ALL driver package. It should be pointed out in the paperwork that came with it. The web brochure .pdf link I posted has a picture of how to hook it up. Here are the ASIO drivers. Check your paperwork or the manual that came with it for which ones exactly you are supposed to use.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Support/U-C ... loads.aspx

[RIFF]

Yeah, I knew soundcards, Onboard or not, could have conversion junk, but until now I didnt know you pretty much just stay away from em. In the past I used a pretty deluxe one that always worked great. I never fed more than 2 tracks at a time 16/44.1, so never really worried about latency & drives etc. Welcome to the new generation, eh?

Instructions Rusty? Whats that?

[Markdude]

Not all soundcards, but stock onboard ones are usually junk for any kind of recording, even if latency isn't a concern.

[RustyMetal]

.. Instructions Rusty? Whats that?

Edit: When installed correctly it should look something like the highlighted one that is usb connected only, in your sound control panel: (The one shown is only a rinky dink Behringer UCA-222 for playing drum/bass tracks out to a powered pa speaker.)

[RIFF]

I was just kidn Rusty, some of us guys resist reading instructions!
What threw me was that it worked with generic drivers right away, but yeah... Function < Function RIGHT!
So the proper drivers made all the difference.


Now Im just pissin mad at Adobe Audition. I have always used Cool Edit Pro & found its function very nice, Adobe should have just updated what needed doing & left the user interface the same, but noooooo....

So this little 302 says it comes with Tracktion 4, maybe Ill try that.

[RustyMetal]

I was just kidn Rusty, some of us guys resist reading instructions! ...

Oh I know. My little angel icon hinted that I've been guilty of it many times as well. I just threw the little screen capture in so you would see kinda what it looks like with the correct drivers.

I looked at Traktion before and wasn't too crazy about it. I suggest checking Reaper out.

[Voodooradio1]

Yeah, I knew soundcards, Onboard or not, could have conversion junk, but until now I didnt know you pretty much just stay away from em. In the past I used a pretty deluxe one that always worked great. I never fed more than 2 tracks at a time 16/44.1, so never really worried about latency & drives etc. Welcome to the new generation, eh?

Instructions Rusty? Whats that?

When you monitored straight from the 302 did you mute the input of the track(s) that you were recording in your DAW? That may be a simple solution to your latency problem. Worth a try. I don't have any experience with those devices, but have found this to be a good work around on others.

[RIFF]

I was just kidn Rusty, some of us guys resist reading instructions! ...

Oh I know. My little angel icon hinted that I've been guilty of it many times as well. I just threw the little screen capture in so you would see kinda what it looks like with the correct drivers.

I looked at Traktion before and wasn't too crazy about it. I suggest checking Reaper out.

Yeah, I was still no thrilled with Tracktion, it was odd, & non-intuitive in some ways. Ill check that out.



Yeah Voodoo, I tried a few things that way, of course THAT defeated the audible part, but on playback, it was apparent that lag was still in affect! The drivers really took care of it.