JiveTurkey wrote:Old man rant: The Foos are soooooo lucky that the bar for "good rock band" right now is so low it's not even funny.
I think the Foos fall in to that category lots of bands fall in to and that's bands that really can't seem to capture their live energy on a recording
I don't find them as energetic as some do? A lot of it is the whole "golly gee whiz I'm here to save rock" thing Grohl does and, admittedly; the contrarian in me.
nightflameauto wrote:
JiveTurkey wrote:Old man rant: The Foos are soooooo lucky that the bar for "good rock band" right now is so low it's not even funny.
I think there are a LOT of "rock" bands this applies to.
EndTime wrote:Think the 2nd half is much better than the front. Territorial Pissings , Lounge Act and On a Plain are all great Nirvana songs and perhaps my favorite Nirvana song is Something in the Way. That song is probably the fucking highlight for me.
Yeah man Territorial Pissings and Something in the way might be my top 2 from the whole thing so I gotta agree.
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SuperFlyinMonke wrote:I have to disagree, but the only 2 truly great albums out of their catalogue are The Color and the Shape and Wasting Light. The rest are pretty mediocre.
I guess everything I've heard of them comes across like the band is somehow way less than the sum of its parts.
Have you ever put on Wasting Light in its entirety? I agree with your general statement about the Foos but I'm with my man Jeff here. Colour and Shape is great and Wasting Light is about as good as a band like that can get IMO. Tons of good riffs, great song writing and performances, killer tones, etc.
Wasting Light is so good. It’s the only album of there’s I love front to back
I respect Nirvana but I never really liked their music. There are a few songs I can tolerate now, mostly due to nostalgia since the early 90's were a good time in my life. Not because of Nirvana, but still...
I like Foo Fighters a little more than Nirvana but again, not much. But I do have a lot of respect for Grohl and what he pulled off in his career. Going from being the drummer behind a big band to starting and fronting another huge band is quite the feat. He also seems like a legitimate good guy. So that's cool. No hate from me but I don't actively listen to their music.
I dislike that both bands were shoved down my throat as something my generation HAD to like. I know that's not necessarily their fault but still No.
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GuitarBilly wrote:I dislike that both bands were shoved down my throat as something my generation HAD to like. I know that's not necessarily their fault but still No.
That's me and the chili peppers. I generally don't hate on bands but never really liked the peppers but if you let your buddies know that in the 80's 90's you'd take heat.
I still love Nirvana by 93 I was sick of them due to over play. but 3 albums in 91 changed my life starting with Metallica's black album, then Nirvana with Nevermind and Soundgarden with Badmotorfinger. At 15/16 years old a lot changed in my world that year.
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GuitarBilly wrote:I dislike that both bands were shoved down my throat as something my generation HAD to like. I know that's not necessarily their fault but still No.
That's me and the chili peppers. I generally don't hate on bands but never really liked the peppers but if you let your buddies know that in the 80's 90's you'd take heat.
Yeah, same. I don't really care for the Chili Peppers all that much. I think a lot of that is Kiedis, but I know tons of people love 'em, so to each their own, I guess. However, if they come on Sirius XM, generally speaking, I change the channel. Lone exception being One Hot Minute, which I do like, and a couple of tunes off of BSSM.
GuitarBilly wrote:I dislike that both bands were shoved down my throat as something my generation HAD to like. I know that's not necessarily their fault but still No.
That's me and the chili peppers. I generally don't hate on bands but never really liked the peppers but if you let your buddies know that in the 80's 90's you'd take heat.
Preach!
Chili Peppers get an insta-gag from me every time. Which caused me all sorts of grief back in the day.
SuperFlyinMonke wrote:I have to disagree, but the only 2 truly great albums out of their catalogue are The Color and the Shape and Wasting Light. The rest are pretty mediocre.
I guess everything I've heard of them comes across like the band is somehow way less than the sum of its parts.
Have you ever put on Wasting Light in its entirety? I agree with your general statement about the Foos but I'm with my man Jeff here. Colour and Shape is great and Wasting Light is about as good as a band like that can get IMO. Tons of good riffs, great song writing and performances, killer tones, etc.
I don't know that I've ever heard an entire album of theirs all the way through. My friends that bought their albums tend to be ADHD as fuck with their listening habits and would rotate out after a song or two to something else. Maybe I'll borrow them from somebody and give 'em a spin some evening when I'm feeling like doing nothing.
I do love me some Nevermind. It was the right album at the right time. I get a lot of Kurt’s own criticisms at the production of it being too polished in some places but I can’t hear the studio versions of those songs sounding any other way. My favorite Nirvana album is In Utero though. Rather than go in the same direction as Nevermind they went darker and more lo-fi.
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GuitarBilly wrote:Anyone who played an 800 "model" in a Kemper/Fractal/Helix and think they know what a raging 2203 sounds like is pretty much the guitar equivalent of a virgin nerd that thinks watching porn counts as sex experience.
NinjaRaf wrote:6505 is 100% balls to the fucking walls low end and aggression. It is FUCKING PISSED. Like an 18 year old angry at the world. + is a bit less angry, like maybe a 35 year old man angry.
greatmutah wrote:I do love me some Nevermind. It was the right album at the right time. I get a lot of Kurt’s own criticisms at the production of it being too polished in some places but I can’t hear the studio versions of those songs sounding any other way. My favorite Nirvana album is In Utero though. Rather than go in the same direction as Nevermind they went darker and more lo-fi.
the sound of In Utero is amazing.... Albini really captured the band perfectly IMO
greatmutah wrote:I do love me some Nevermind. It was the right album at the right time. I get a lot of Kurt’s own criticisms at the production of it being too polished in some places but I can’t hear the studio versions of those songs sounding any other way. My favorite Nirvana album is In Utero though. Rather than go in the same direction as Nevermind they went darker and more lo-fi.
the sound of In Utero is amazing.... Albini really captured the band perfectly IMO
100% I liked a lot of Nevermind but hearing Heart Shaped Box for the first time was big. That song was heavy as fuck for Nirvana. And then you hear the rest of the album and it's just as dark. Albini did a great job producing them. I read some super funny stories about Dave and Krist just fucking around in the studio trying to get him to laugh the whole time too.
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GuitarBilly wrote:Anyone who played an 800 "model" in a Kemper/Fractal/Helix and think they know what a raging 2203 sounds like is pretty much the guitar equivalent of a virgin nerd that thinks watching porn counts as sex experience.
NinjaRaf wrote:6505 is 100% balls to the fucking walls low end and aggression. It is FUCKING PISSED. Like an 18 year old angry at the world. + is a bit less angry, like maybe a 35 year old man angry.
I was in my 30's when the Grunge thing happened... I never owned any grunge albums except for one by Alice In Chains.
About a year ago, out of curiosity, I bought all the Nirvana albums to listen to on the way to/from work. They songs were meh to OK the arrangement technique of "quiet-to-loud-back-to-quiet-to loud again" were used on a lot of their songs. Their hits especially, Come As You Are sounded great when they came out but now, they sound really over played. Listening to their albums, I couldn't help but feel like they needed a better producer.
Walt wrote:But when the hour is nigh, and the lights are low, and I got a little toothpick of a shwag joint in my teeth, and my friends want to hear me play "Into the Void", or "TNT", "or "Cemetery Gates"...I plug my 600 dollar guitar into my 150 dollar amp, and I am a Rawk gawd.
ajaxlepinski wrote:I was in my 30's when the Grunge thing happened... I never owned any grunge albums except for one by Alice In Chains.
About a year ago, out of curiosity, I bought all the Nirvana albums to listen to on the way to/from work. They songs were meh to OK the arrangement technique of "quiet-to-loud-back-to-quiet-to loud again" were used on a lot of their songs. Their hits especially, Come As You Are sounded great when they came out but now, they sound really over played. Listening to their albums, I couldn't help but feel like they needed a better producer.
Walt wrote:But when the hour is nigh, and the lights are low, and I got a little toothpick of a shwag joint in my teeth, and my friends want to hear me play "Into the Void", or "TNT", "or "Cemetery Gates"...I plug my 600 dollar guitar into my 150 dollar amp, and I am a Rawk gawd.
greatmutah wrote:I do love me some Nevermind. It was the right album at the right time. I get a lot of Kurt’s own criticisms at the production of it being too polished in some places but I can’t hear the studio versions of those songs sounding any other way. My favorite Nirvana album is In Utero though. Rather than go in the same direction as Nevermind they went darker and more lo-fi.
the sound of In Utero is amazing.... Albini really captured the band perfectly IMO
100% I liked a lot of Nevermind but hearing Heart Shaped Box for the first time was big. That song was heavy as fuck for Nirvana. And then you hear the rest of the album and it's just as dark. Albini did a great job producing them. I read some super funny stories about Dave and Krist just fucking around in the studio trying to get him to laugh the whole time too.
While I was into the early 90s death metal 110%during the time of Nirvana, my older brother was the biggest Nirvana fan. Along with Melvins. mudhoney; etc. So what I’m getting at is I was exposed to Nirvana a ton and, by far; for me Bleach is the best Nirvana album. Talk about dirty and raw and HEAVY at times. Paper Cuts( and Negative Creep were honestly the two songs that gave me some respect for Nirvana. I really hated Nevermind when it came out and never truly have it a chance cause I was fully out of the grunge thing at the time, but as the years rolled on I saw the good in Nevermind. Which brings me to In utero. Again my bro was all about that album too, and I liked that it was more raw and has some good songs, but Heart Shaped Vox in particular really didn’t connect for me at all. Anyway, I do like that I’m pretty sure there are so ya on there with one rhythm guitar. No overdubs and double or quad tracking. Just one guitar, vocals bass and drums. And as years passed my personal favorite band at the time was Morbid Angel which also happened to be a three piece for Awhile, so I liked 3 piece bands a little more! Haha. Which Nirvana was, then I realized Rush was a 3 piece and stupid shot like that made me listen to bands that I wasn’t the biggest fan of but it allowed me to give them a little more rope before I kicked that shot to the curb!
I never liked much of anything about Nevermind, but the Bleach album still holds up for me. Their cover of Shocking Blue's Love Buzz has always been a favorite, and I always tried to imagine what Nirvana would sound like covering Hot Send (another Shocking Blue song).
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greatmutah wrote:I do love me some Nevermind. It was the right album at the right time. I get a lot of Kurt’s own criticisms at the production of it being too polished in some places but I can’t hear the studio versions of those songs sounding any other way. My favorite Nirvana album is In Utero though. Rather than go in the same direction as Nevermind they went darker and more lo-fi.
I’ve heard some of the Butch Vig mixes and leaving the studio Nevermind was a lot darker. Bigger bass. More Melvins.
itchyfingers wrote:Meh. I lived through it and never really understood the hype. Don't get me wrong, they were a good band, but imho not even in the same league as several other "grunge" bands. Kurt knew it, and took matters into his own hands. Or was it Courtney? Anyway, had he not offed himself, the band would not be as revered as they are today.
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I tend to agree here. It’s nostalgia for me when it comes on for whatever reason (90’s playlist when we take the kids in road trips) but I never understood the fanaticism for Nirvana. They were the worst of the major grunge bands for me most of the time, though I will say the unplugged redeemed them for me quite a bit and gave me more respect for Kurt than I had ever had.
