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When wrong is right.
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:31 pm
by GuitarBilly
A friend of mine sent me a link to this tailpiece today.
Yeah it looks wrong, since I'm used to the traditional way. But it also makes me wonder why it wasn't done this way from the beginning. It makes a LOT more sense than the traditional way

I'm not buying one because I'm petty and my LPs have to look the way they "should". But still.
If anyone is interested
https://lightningguitars.com/?fbclid=Iw ... taPO_Wkt9K
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:00 pm
by Telephant
Is that supposed to help with the break angle? Honestly doesn't look bad to me.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:02 pm
by Telephant
Ok just checked out the site, ya break angle thing makes sense. Oddly when I top wrapped my LP it actually felt less slinky to me. then again maybe I am misremembering it's been years since I tried. Was also on the LP Trad with Nashville bridge before I modded it with the Faber.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:40 am
by linthat22
Telephant wrote:Is that supposed to help with the break angle? Honestly doesn't look bad to me.
I was thinking break angle as well. Maybe that thing would provide a nice solution for those who go back and forth between standard and overwrapping?
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:00 am
by Devin
That's pretty cool
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:22 am
by Chris Z
I'm going to change strings on my LP today, does everyone put their tailpiece all the way down to the body and then intonate from there?
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:39 am
by Dave
I'm not a huge fan. I'll just keep top wrapping but yeah it does make sense.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:15 pm
by Telephant
Dave wrote:I'm not a huge fan. I'll just keep top wrapping but yeah it does make sense.
I always forget you top wrap. What do you like about it?
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:21 pm
by Devin
I tried top wrapping my Burny ES but I kept knocking strings out of the saddle slots
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:53 pm
by Telephant
Devin wrote:I tried top wrapping my Burny ES but I kept knocking strings out of the saddle slots
Maybe need to drop the tail piece all the way down?
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:22 pm
by Dave
Telephant wrote:Dave wrote:I'm not a huge fan. I'll just keep top wrapping but yeah it does make sense.
I always forget you top wrap. What do you like about it?
I started doing it because I was breaking a ton of strings back when I was using my LPC in Gen Wasted. It seemed to lower the string tension too so I just kept doing it. I have the tail piece all the way down so there's still some downward pull from the bridge.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:50 pm
by GuitarBilly
Yeah top wrapping helps with string breakage, if it's an issue. It also puts less pressure on the bridge, which is good especially if it's an old guitar, since TOM bridges can collapse over time.
In terms of string tension I don't feel any difference. Some people feel it makes the guitar slinkier but I never noticed it.
At the end of the day, you need a set tension between the bridge and nut to reach a certain pitch. So I don't see how you wrapping could change that.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:19 pm
by TurboPablo
If you top wrap, check out the Joe B. trick. Cut the ball end off of your old strings and use it as a spacer for the new ones. Run the new strings through the ball end and then the stoptail. It pulls the new ball end back enough so you are wrapping only the string around instead of the wrap too.
I have no idea if it was his idea originally, but that is how I discovered it.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:59 am
by Devin
Telephant wrote:Devin wrote:I tried top wrapping my Burny ES but I kept knocking strings out of the saddle slots
Maybe need to drop the tail piece all the way down?
I think it is all the way down; i'd have to double check tho
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:19 am
by GuitarBilly
Devin wrote:Telephant wrote:Devin wrote:I tried top wrapping my Burny ES but I kept knocking strings out of the saddle slots
Maybe need to drop the tail piece all the way down?
I think it is all the way down; i'd have to double check tho
If it's all the way down you need to make the saddles grooves a bit deeper then raise the bridge slightly to compensate for it. Probably a job for a tech, but it's not hard/expensive.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:35 am
by Telephant
GuitarBilly wrote:Yeah top wrapping helps with string breakage, if it's an issue.
Speaking of Do you remember some years ago you mentioned you hadn’t broken a string in years and I was mystified? Well now I have gone a few years without breaking a string. Feels good man.

Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:39 am
by Devin
Telephant wrote:GuitarBilly wrote:Yeah top wrapping helps with string breakage, if it's an issue.
Speaking of Do you remember some years ago you mentioned you hadn’t broken a string in years and I was mystified? Well now I have gone a few years without breaking a string. Feels good man.

Now that you're Floydin this will likely change unless you stay on top of dem string changes

Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:39 am
by Dave
Idk about y’all but my regular string breakage slowed way down when I stopped getting plastered before shows

Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:47 am
by Telephant
Dave wrote:Idk about y’all but my regular string breakage slowed way down when I stopped getting plastered before shows

That probably has a lot to do with it. And with ToL I’m using 11-50’s in C standard on a Les Paul. No issues. Also NYXL’s are the truth. I am a believer now. Praise be.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:48 am
by Telephant
Devin wrote:Telephant wrote:GuitarBilly wrote:Yeah top wrapping helps with string breakage, if it's an issue.
Speaking of Do you remember some years ago you mentioned you hadn’t broken a string in years and I was mystified? Well now I have gone a few years without breaking a string. Feels good man.

Now that you're Floydin this will likely change unless you stay on top of dem string changes

You can stay on top deez nuts, bby.

Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:11 pm
by GuitarBilly
Telephant wrote:GuitarBilly wrote:Yeah top wrapping helps with string breakage, if it's an issue.
Speaking of Do you remember some years ago you mentioned you hadn’t broken a string in years and I was mystified? Well now I have gone a few years without breaking a string. Feels good man.

yeah, that still holds true. It's been well over 10 years, easily. And these days, I use 09s for the most part. I even had an 08s phase last year and still nothing
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:20 pm
by Devin
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 3:19 pm
by facefirst
GuitarBilly wrote:Telephant wrote:GuitarBilly wrote:Yeah top wrapping helps with string breakage, if it's an issue.
Speaking of Do you remember some years ago you mentioned you hadn’t broken a string in years and I was mystified? Well now I have gone a few years without breaking a string. Feels good man.

yeah, that still holds true. It's been well over 10 years, easily. And these days, I use 09s for the most part. I even had an 08s phase last year and still nothing
I use 9s on the guitars for my wedding cover band. I break them about every other gig. Probably going to go back to 10s.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 6:07 am
by linthat22
TurboPablo wrote:If you top wrap, check out the Joe B. trick. Cut the ball end off of your old strings and use it as a spacer for the new ones. Run the new strings through the ball end and then the stoptail. It pulls the new ball end back enough so you are wrapping only the string around instead of the wrap too.
I have no idea if it was his idea originally, but that is how I discovered it.
For some reason, I can't picture this in my head.
Re: When wrong is right.
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:55 pm
by _ej_
It would be simpler and easier to cast and drill the traditional slots.
Modern manufacturing makes that a null issue but that's my guess as to why the traditional style is how it is.