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Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:52 pm
by Hipster Salad
Sure someone will eventually post it here, but still lol-worthy


BUGERA REVIEW OF ALL 8 OF THEIR AMPS:
http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Amps/B ... #U15092127


On a serious note, I haven't looked at Bugera amps since a sales rep I talked to (back when they first came out) said he bought back all 10 amps he sold a week before because they broke. I see a Bugera every now and then at local shows, but are they still as bad?

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:58 pm
by RaceU4her
im pretty sure there was a problem with some of the ribbon cables or something that were fixed after the first batch, i dont remember seeing many problems after that :idk:

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:01 pm
by gb74
Yeah this is an old thread that got bumped though. Norton is here and he's a really cool dude.

As for Bugera amps, every one I played sounded really good. That goes for most of the Behringer stuff. I can't say I've played any Behringer gear that sounded crappy, to be honest. However, the failure rate of their products with me so far is 100%: every single product I bought from them failed in a few years. I usually don't mind because it's mostly cheap stuff that is easy to replace (pedals, DIs etc) and by the time it fails I already got more than my money's worth out of it. But with an amp that costs a few hundred dollars, I'd be pissed off.

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:06 pm
by Ry Manchu
There is the old joke that their R&D Dept. is a photocopy machine. Unfortunately in the case of a certain Aphex product and a certain Mackie board this is 100% true.

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:06 pm
by Kage
guitarbilly wrote:Yeah this is an old thread that got bumped though. Norton is here and he's a really cool dude.

As for Bugera amps, every one I played sounded really good. That goes for most of the Behringer stuff. I can't say I've played any Behringer gear that sounded crappy, to be honest. However, the failure rate of their products with me so far is 100%: every single product I bought from them failed in a few years. I usually don't mind because it's mostly cheap stuff that is easy to replace (pedals, DIs etc) and by the time it fails I already got more than my money's worth out of it. But with an amp that costs a few hundred dollars, I'd be pissed off.


+1, Ive had the same experience with both Bugera and Behringer but Ive never owned any of their products. They all sounded great though..

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:17 pm
by Hipster Salad
I'm not doubting their sound at all... I A/B'd a couple with their Peavey counterparts and liked how they sounded, but was turned off when I talked to the sales rep about them. Not discrediting Norton either, but thought it was a little funny to see a Bugera review thread on HC given their 'rep'. I'll shut up now...

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:24 pm
by Tommy Eisen
It still floors be that there is actual a cheap alternative to peavey, when peavey is the original cheap alternative.

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:52 pm
by NeloAngelo
RaceU4her wrote:im pretty sure there was a problem with some of the ribbon cables or something that were fixed after the first batch, i dont remember seeing many problems after that :idk:

that. when they changed the ribbon cable, the problems went away.

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:34 am
by Edgeofdarkness
I'd rather play a duct taped krank

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:56 am
by Cirrus
guitarbilly wrote:That goes for most of the Behringer stuff. I can't say I've played any Behringer gear that sounded crappy, to be honest.


I'm happy to use the DI boxes, headphone preamps etc but when I was at uni there were three studio rooms, each based around different desks. There was a Soundcraft Ghost, a Digidesign Control 24 and a Behringer Eurodesk. The Soundcraft sounded by far the best, the Digidesign was a digital desk and hence limited by the traditionally shitty Protools converters, but still usable. The Eurodesk was the worst thing. I remember hours spent in that studio desperately wondering why everything sounded so shit; so flat and nasty with loads of hiss.

I assumed it was just me being incompetent. While that's always a factor, that desk was fucking awful.

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:21 am
by GCDEF
NeloAngelo wrote:
RaceU4her wrote:im pretty sure there was a problem with some of the ribbon cables or something that were fixed after the first batch, i dont remember seeing many problems after that :idk:

that. when they changed the ribbon cable, the problems went away.


No, they really didn't. I've had two of them within the last 18 months. One literally went up in a puff of smoke, the other died piece by piece. Both were dead within a week. They sounded great, but reliability was terrible.

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:18 am
by GuitarBilly
Cirrus wrote:
guitarbilly wrote:That goes for most of the Behringer stuff. I can't say I've played any Behringer gear that sounded crappy, to be honest.


I'm happy to use the DI boxes, headphone preamps etc but when I was at uni there were three studio rooms, each based around different desks. There was a Soundcraft Ghost, a Digidesign Control 24 and a Behringer Eurodesk. The Soundcraft sounded by far the best, the Digidesign was a digital desk and hence limited by the traditionally shitty Protools converters, but still usable. The Eurodesk was the worst thing. I remember hours spent in that studio desperately wondering why everything sounded so shit; so flat and nasty with loads of hiss.

I assumed it was just me being incompetent. While that's always a factor, that desk was fucking awful.


to be fair, that's all I've ever used from them. And a few pedals. Behringer, to me, is for stuff I can get from $20 to $50 tops. They have a few good deals for the small stuff.

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:20 am
by RaceU4her
Metallica has behringer gear in all their racks

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:24 am
by sixtonoize
I have a few pieces of Behringer rack gear that have worked well for years.

My bass player picked up a 1960 (SuperLead clone) as a gamble, and it sounds great. He doesn't play it that much, but if/when it goes up in smoke, he's only out $200 and there's a good chance that we'll be able to salvage at least one of the trannies for a custom build.

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:31 am
by Cirrus
RaceU4her wrote:Metallica has behringer gear in all their racks


I heard they have Behringer guys helping them write songs too. :idk:

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:07 am
by clipless bumper
RaceU4her wrote:Metallica has behringer gear in all their racks


and I guarantee you that they have extras of everything.