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Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:52 pm
by Hipster Salad
Sure someone will eventually post it here, but still lol-worthy
BUGERA REVIEW OF ALL 8 OF THEIR AMPS:
http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Amps/B ... #U15092127On a serious note, I haven't looked at Bugera amps since a sales rep I talked to (back when they first came out) said he bought back all 10 amps he sold a week before because they broke. I see a Bugera every now and then at local shows, but are they still as bad?
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:58 pm
by RaceU4her
im pretty sure there was a problem with some of the ribbon cables or something that were fixed after the first batch, i dont remember seeing many problems after that

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:01 pm
by gb74
Yeah this is an old thread that got bumped though. Norton is here and he's a really cool dude.
As for Bugera amps, every one I played sounded really good. That goes for most of the Behringer stuff. I can't say I've played any Behringer gear that sounded crappy, to be honest. However, the failure rate of their products with me so far is 100%: every single product I bought from them failed in a few years. I usually don't mind because it's mostly cheap stuff that is easy to replace (pedals, DIs etc) and by the time it fails I already got more than my money's worth out of it. But with an amp that costs a few hundred dollars, I'd be pissed off.
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:06 pm
by Ry Manchu
There is the old joke that their R&D Dept. is a photocopy machine. Unfortunately in the case of a certain Aphex product and a certain Mackie board this is 100% true.
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:06 pm
by Kage
guitarbilly wrote:Yeah this is an old thread that got bumped though. Norton is here and he's a really cool dude.
As for Bugera amps, every one I played sounded really good. That goes for most of the Behringer stuff. I can't say I've played any Behringer gear that sounded crappy, to be honest. However, the failure rate of their products with me so far is 100%: every single product I bought from them failed in a few years. I usually don't mind because it's mostly cheap stuff that is easy to replace (pedals, DIs etc) and by the time it fails I already got more than my money's worth out of it. But with an amp that costs a few hundred dollars, I'd be pissed off.
+1, Ive had the same experience with both Bugera and Behringer but Ive never owned any of their products. They all sounded great though..
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:17 pm
by Hipster Salad
I'm not doubting their sound at all... I A/B'd a couple with their Peavey counterparts and liked how they sounded, but was turned off when I talked to the sales rep about them. Not discrediting Norton either, but thought it was a little funny to see a Bugera review thread on HC given their 'rep'. I'll shut up now...
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:24 pm
by Tommy Eisen
It still floors be that there is actual a cheap alternative to peavey, when peavey is the original cheap alternative.
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:52 pm
by NeloAngelo
RaceU4her wrote:im pretty sure there was a problem with some of the ribbon cables or something that were fixed after the first batch, i dont remember seeing many problems after that

that. when they changed the ribbon cable, the problems went away.
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:34 am
by Edgeofdarkness
I'd rather play a duct taped krank
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:56 am
by Cirrus
guitarbilly wrote:That goes for most of the Behringer stuff. I can't say I've played any Behringer gear that sounded crappy, to be honest.
I'm happy to use the DI boxes, headphone preamps etc but when I was at uni there were three studio rooms, each based around different desks. There was a Soundcraft Ghost, a Digidesign Control 24 and a Behringer Eurodesk. The Soundcraft sounded by far the best, the Digidesign was a digital desk and hence limited by the traditionally shitty Protools converters, but still usable. The Eurodesk was the worst thing. I remember hours spent in that studio desperately wondering why everything sounded so shit; so flat and nasty with loads of hiss.
I assumed it was just me being incompetent. While that's always a factor, that desk was fucking awful.
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:21 am
by GCDEF
NeloAngelo wrote:RaceU4her wrote:im pretty sure there was a problem with some of the ribbon cables or something that were fixed after the first batch, i dont remember seeing many problems after that

that. when they changed the ribbon cable, the problems went away.
No, they really didn't. I've had two of them within the last 18 months. One literally went up in a puff of smoke, the other died piece by piece. Both were dead within a week. They sounded great, but reliability was terrible.
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:18 am
by GuitarBilly
Cirrus wrote:guitarbilly wrote:That goes for most of the Behringer stuff. I can't say I've played any Behringer gear that sounded crappy, to be honest.
I'm happy to use the DI boxes, headphone preamps etc but when I was at uni there were three studio rooms, each based around different desks. There was a Soundcraft Ghost, a Digidesign Control 24 and a Behringer Eurodesk. The Soundcraft sounded by far the best, the Digidesign was a digital desk and hence limited by the traditionally shitty Protools converters, but still usable. The Eurodesk was the worst thing. I remember hours spent in that studio desperately wondering why everything sounded so shit; so flat and nasty with loads of hiss.
I assumed it was just me being incompetent. While that's always a factor, that desk was fucking awful.
to be fair, that's all I've ever used from them. And a few pedals. Behringer, to me, is for stuff I can get from $20 to $50 tops. They have a few good deals for the small stuff.
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:20 am
by RaceU4her
Metallica has behringer gear in all their racks
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:24 am
by sixtonoize
I have a few pieces of Behringer rack gear that have worked well for years.
My bass player picked up a 1960 (SuperLead clone) as a gamble, and it sounds great. He doesn't play it that much, but if/when it goes up in smoke, he's only out $200 and there's a good chance that we'll be able to salvage at least one of the trannies for a custom build.
Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:31 am
by Cirrus
RaceU4her wrote:Metallica has behringer gear in all their racks
I heard they have Behringer guys helping them write songs too.

Re: Why I'm glad I left HC . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:07 am
by clipless bumper
RaceU4her wrote:Metallica has behringer gear in all their racks
and I guarantee you that they have extras of everything.