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So I am scrolling through my feed this morning as I drink my coffee, and I see a post from a DJ complaining about how much more $ they would be making elsewhere. The DJ in question is really good (well, for being a DJ ) Other DJs chime in on the post with their sob stories and I have to laugh. "No one comes out for music anymore" :STFU: Must be rough having to lug that laptop and led light bar around from venue to venue

JiveTurkey wrote:Must be rough having to lug that laptop and led light bar around from venue to venue

Plus all those hours they put into rehearsals and how they pour their souls into creating music for so little in return...

JiveTurkey wrote:So I am scrolling through my feed this morning as I drink my coffee, and I see a post from a DJ complaining about how much more $ they would be making elsewhere. The DJ in question is really good (well, for being a DJ ) Other DJs chime in on the post with their sob stories and I have to laugh. "No one comes out for music anymore" :STFU: Must be rough having to lug that laptop and led light bar around from venue to venue

Do they realize their "scene" is dead because 1) everyone with a laptop and light bar is a "DJ" now and its saturated the market and 2) since there are a bazillion djs every bar has one and therefore dilutes the draw?

Some of those guys are really good, impressively good, but I have a friend who's a DJ and by that I mean he has 100,000 mp3s and lights.

DJ is such a weird term these days.
It can mean someone like Ovid is referring who just plays songs or it can mean an actual electronic music producer.
In the case of the former, yeah that shit isn't going so well, for the latter it seems to be a good time to be doing that if you're worth a damn.

K-Bizzle wrote:DJ is such a weird term these days.
It can mean someone like Ovid is referring who just plays songs or it can mean an actual electronic music producer.
In the case of the former, yeah that shit isn't going so well, for the latter it seems to be a good time to be doing that if you're worth a damn.

It does, EDM is huge at festivals and stuff.

One of the guys chiming in complained about how someone was mad about them not playing a request during a "gig" WTF are you there for if you aren't playing requests

In all seriousness, I have friends that actually use turntables and that would be what I consider a DJ. Someone running a macbook with Serato (while providing a valuable service from a bar owner's perspective); not so much Either way listening to their stories of woe and hardship

K-Bizzle wrote:DJ is such a weird term these days.
It can mean someone like Ovid is referring who just plays songs or it can mean an actual electronic music producer.
In the case of the former, yeah that shit isn't going so well, for the latter it seems to be a good time to be doing that if you're worth a damn.

^That is a very valid point.

JiveTurkey wrote:One of the guys chiming in complained about how someone was mad about them not playing a request during a "gig" WTF are you there for if you aren't playing requests

"I play stuff and try to break new music but there is no appreciation for our talent or skill anymore"


Apparently no one who actually plays an instrument is involved in this conversation.

I think the traditional role of a "DJ" is becoming outdated.
I kinda follow the EDM scene, and I'm seeing a lot of "EDM Bands" that are starting to take over the live edm scene. Take Ninja Kore for example:
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkfX4xecQE[/video]

Noizemaker wrote:I think the traditional role of a "DJ" is becoming outdated.
I kinda follow the EDM scene, and I'm seeing a lot of "EDM Bands" that are starting to take over the live edm scene. Take Ninja Kore for example:
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkfX4xecQE[/video]

Goddamn this fucking sucks. Taste, no one has it anymore.

God that Ninja Kore shit was awful. How is that new? Sounds like 80's shit...Sigue Sigue Sputnik etc...

I went to the Smoke Out festival a few years back because I had girlfriend who worked for the event company that put on that festival and she got me a job working one of the alcohol vendor booths for the event. Anyway, when my shift was over I wandered around to check out the acts at the various stages. One of the stages was the raver tent where all the DJ's were "spinning".

What a joke. The DJ would be bobbing his head, holding his hand out to the crowd, and then he'd do that one knob twist where it makes the beat climax into that stupid sonic orgasm, and the crowd went wild... every fucking time... as if he actually did something. HE TURNED ONE FUCKING KNOB PEOPLE, AND YOU ACT LIKE HE JUST RAINED JESUS ALL OVER YOU!!!!!

Mike LX-R wrote:I went to the Smoke Out festival a few years back because I had girlfriend who worked for the event company that put on that festival and she got me a job working one of the alcohol vendor booths for the event. Anyway, when my shift was over I wandered around to check out the acts at the various stages. One of the stages was the raver tent where all the DJ's were "spinning".

What a joke. The DJ would be bobbing his head, holding his hand out to the crowd, and then he'd do that one knob twist where it makes the beat climax into that stupid sonic orgasm, and the crowd went wild... every fucking time... as if he actually did something. HE TURNED ONE FUCKING KNOB PEOPLE, AND YOU ACT LIKE HE JUST RAINED JESUS ALL OVER YOU!!!!!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh9C7nQHmII[/video]

Noizemaker wrote:I think the traditional role of a "DJ" is becoming outdated.
I kinda follow the EDM scene, and I'm seeing a lot of "EDM Bands" that are starting to take over the live edm scene. Take Ninja Kore for example:
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkfX4xecQE[/video]

Can dubstep just fucking die already? I actually like a lot of electronic music (mostly more relaxed, trip-hop kind of stuff), but this shit is so formulaic, uncreative, and just all around lame, it's maddening.

yeah the dj term is weird indeed.

please consider the following: M. L. E. Youngblood's Field Notes on DJ Sociology

basically it seems:

dj--wedding/party level. you are there to play songs from a list, take requests, manage volume levels, occasionally announce something

dj--strip joint-play lap dance appropriate length songs as requested by the ermmm....talent....and tell the japanese business men when "Destiny" is taking the main stage.

dj bar/nightclub--play dance music and through some cleverness in there during the transitions. take requests, but only if they are good and fit with the theme you're running at the time

dj performer--you are there to play a "gig", demonstrating your talent for blending transitions, beats, and doing mashups, and generally maintaining an energy. varying skill levels and appreciation. no requests.

dj of own edm--you sit at your computer and make the music, then you perform the mixing of said music live. samples et al often included, but you do create SOMETHING

edm performer--you create the actual music live, using synths, beat pads, loopers, etc.

edm producer--some overblown amalgam of the previous 3 teirs. no one REALLY knows how you got where you are, but they know you're there.


the festivals, etc. have mostly the last 3, though sometimes the last 4. the people complaining in that post are most likely low level practitioners of the "dj performer" group, or think they are, though they may be hired under the "dj bar/club" group and maintain delusions of grandeur.

I think I'm one of the few here who actually enjoys dubstep and the current wave of EDM.
Its not my favorite but molly is a hell of a drug.

Y0UNGBL00D wrote:yeah the dj term is weird indeed.

please consider the following: M. L. E. Youngblood's Field Notes on DJ Sociology

basically it seems:

dj--wedding/party level. you are there to play songs from a list, take requests, manage volume levels, occasionally announce something

dj--strip joint-play lap dance appropriate length songs as requested by the ermmm....talent....and tell the japanese business men when "Destiny" is taking the main stage.

dj bar/nightclub--play dance music and through some cleverness in there during the transitions. take requests, but only if they are good and fit with the theme you're running at the time

dj performer--you are there to play a "gig", demonstrating your talent for blending transitions, beats, and doing mashups, and generally maintaining an energy. varying skill levels and appreciation. no requests.

dj of own edm--you sit at your computer and make the music, then you perform the mixing of said music live. samples et al often included, but you do create SOMETHING

edm performer--you create the actual music live, using synths, beat pads, loopers, etc.

edm producer--some overblown amalgam of the previous 3 teirs. no one REALLY knows how you got where you are, but they know you're there.


the festivals, etc. have mostly the last 3, though sometimes the last 4. the people complaining in that post are most likely low level practitioners of the "dj performer" group, or think they are, though they may be hired under the "dj bar/club" group and maintain delusions of grandeur.

Great breakdown. The OP is of the dj bar/club and performer variety and does an excellent job at it. The other posters, I am not so sure of

JiveTurkey wrote:

Mike LX-R wrote:I went to the Smoke Out festival a few years back because I had girlfriend who worked for the event company that put on that festival and she got me a job working one of the alcohol vendor booths for the event. Anyway, when my shift was over I wandered around to check out the acts at the various stages. One of the stages was the raver tent where all the DJ's were "spinning".

What a joke. The DJ would be bobbing his head, holding his hand out to the crowd, and then he'd do that one knob twist where it makes the beat climax into that stupid sonic orgasm, and the crowd went wild... every fucking time... as if he actually did something. HE TURNED ONE FUCKING KNOB PEOPLE, AND YOU ACT LIKE HE JUST RAINED JESUS ALL OVER YOU!!!!!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh9C7nQHmII[/video]

:lol::lol:

:applause:

Skip the "vocals" on that ninja kore shit and I've heard it ten million times in movie soundtracks. Good fuck that's maddening without watching six muscled up dudes get the shit kicked out of them by some little asian dude.

at coachella we happened by the sahara tent (where the EDM lives) when moby was playing. crazy light show, great energy i guess from a thousand mollied up kids, but all moby was doing was standing in this nexus of lasers and lights playing a fucking mp3 player. dude got SO much money for that. i know he paid his dues in the past, which is why he was there, but damn.

can you imagine if someone did that in rock music? say for the LZ O2 arena show, they just wheeled out a big TV and played the sing remains the same DVD?