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TurboPablo wrote:Weed never led me to other drugs. Neither did alcohol. But I did infinitely more stupid shit while drunk than stoned. Weed on the other hand usually led to a mountain bike ride, playing guitar, surfing, or some other constructive activity.

All of this.

because you actively turned down better drugs or because you were never around them?

I was around them plenty. I was a rock musician in a gigging band in my mid-20s. I could have gotten whatever I wanted. Just had no desire to do any of the others.

Smoked a metric fuckton of weed, though.

I've watched people freebase coke and smoke crack. I've been offered it numerouse times. Same thing with cocaine. Watched people snort Scarface piles of it. I turned it all down every time. Pills too. Never been around smack and I am fine with that. Aside from some experience with LSD, Shrooms and Mescalin, I always stuck with pounding beers and smoking weed. Quit drinking almost ten years ago and have stopped smoking weed altogether. I do occasionally eat a quarter of a 5g gummie. But even that is rare.

The times I tripped out had nothing to do with weed being a gateway. It was there, I did it. Acid, did it maybe ten times over the course of a year. I was 15-16 years old and the last time I took it, I knew I would never touch it again. It was a good trip. Nothing bad or extreme. We went to the Newport Folk Fest and saw BB King rip it up. But as soon as I started to beam, I wanted it to end. Seven hours later it was still going. Haven't touched it since. With the exception of barely maybe a mild ride on shrooms (haven't touched them in three decades), I'll never trip out again.

I suppose experience will do that. I got to a point where I came to understand that there are no new revelations or experiences to be had with any of it. So why bother. It gets to a point where it becomes groundhog day everytime. These days I am addicted to clarity.

Drugs is enjoyable

A little bit of everything but not too much of anything.

Just say "maybe" - some drugs aren't so bad.

- Nancy Reagan

I got a Freeze Pipe, which looks awesome as hell in concept. I’ll have to report back on it on Sunday, if anyone is interested. Just have to wake up way too early during the week and Saturday mornings, so Saturday evenings are pretty much the only nights that I can consume.

Ostinato Rubato wrote:

Murdoch wrote:Weed should be legal everywhere. It’s pretty much harmless. I know some have tried to call it a gateway drug, but I have smoked a metric fuckton of weed in my life and never had the desire to graduate into opioids, narcotics, or anything else. I’m perfectly happy with some decent stuff and a beaker.

The worst harms always exist on the tail ends of the statistical distributions. Weed is harmless for most people but for a small subset of people it will actually induce psychosis and in our modern time of legalization is now correlated to increases in violence, as counter intuitive as that may seem to most including myself.

Also weed absolutely led me to other drugs cause it was great so the others likely were too.

Take a bath, hippie.

Weed did not lead you to other drugs, you led yourself to other drugs. The "it was great so the others likely were too" was entirely your idea. I smoke a lot and that thought never crossed my mind and it was not for the lack of opportunity. On the other hand I had issues with alcohol so I had to stop doing that. But I didn't need alcohol to become illegal to know it's not for me. I can figure it out myself.

People blaming inanimate things like weed, video games, junk food, guns, alcohol etc for their fuck-ups is absolute non-sense.

Weed is neither 100% safe nor its for for everyone, but its up to each person to know what they can or cannot do.

Dave wrote:
People that need the government to okay their drug use typically suck at drugs. .

The govt don't have to "okay it" and they certainly don't have to prohibit it either. Just stay out of it. I certainly don't need any pro drug laws. Just take down the anti-drug laws and we're good. Go build roads and let me figure out what I can or cannot smoke.

GuitarBilly wrote:The govt don't have to "okay it" and they certainly don't have to prohibit it either. Just stay out of it. I certainly don't need any pro drug laws. Just take down the anti-drug laws and we're good. Go build roads and let me figure out what I can or cannot smoke.

Yeah, I'm 100% onboard with them just staying out of it.

Yeah weed isn’t 100% safe, but it’s much safer than alcohol. I have also had issues with alcohol in my past and I still enjoy really good whiskey, but I don’t consume NEARLY as much of it as I used to. I pulled back a really good bit. I don’t like the buzz alcohol causes any more, either. I genuinely just really love the flavor of good whiskey.

I much prefer the buzz of weed, but it’s neither legal or decriminalized here, so you can only take what you can get. I’d love to be able to go to a dispensary at some point and be able to buy a strain of choice rather than just taking weed because it’s all you get on any particular day.

GuitarBilly wrote:

Ostinato Rubato wrote:

Murdoch wrote:Weed should be legal everywhere. It’s pretty much harmless. I know some have tried to call it a gateway drug, but I have smoked a metric fuckton of weed in my life and never had the desire to graduate into opioids, narcotics, or anything else. I’m perfectly happy with some decent stuff and a beaker.

The worst harms always exist on the tail ends of the statistical distributions. Weed is harmless for most people but for a small subset of people it will actually induce psychosis and in our modern time of legalization is now correlated to increases in violence, as counter intuitive as that may seem to most including myself.

Also weed absolutely led me to other drugs cause it was great so the others likely were too.

Take a bath, hippie.

Weed did not lead you to other drugs, you led yourself to other drugs. The "it was great so the others likely were too" was entirely your idea. I smoke a lot and that thought never crossed my mind and it was not for the lack of opportunity. On the other hand I had issues with alcohol so I had to stop doing that. But I didn't need alcohol to become illegal to know it's not for me. I can figure it out myself.

People blaming inanimate things like weed, video games, junk food, guns, alcohol etc for their fuck-ups is absolute non-sense.

Weed is neither 100% safe nor its for for everyone, but its up to each person to know what they can or cannot do.

Dave wrote:
People that need the government to okay their drug use typically suck at drugs. .

The govt don't have to "okay it" and they certainly don't have to prohibit it either. Just stay out of it. I certainly don't need any pro drug laws. Just take down the anti-drug laws and we're good. Go build roads and let me figure out what I can or cannot smoke.

I’m gonna have disagree. I’ve yet to meet the hard drug user/experimenter who didn’t first start with weed, or alcohol, or both. There’s definitely something to weed being a first step towards other drugs for a lot of people. Like a lot of people.

I’m not saying everyone is like me. I’m really indulgent. When I first got a hand job I immediately wanted to try getting a blowjob, and so on. But also a lot of people are like me when it comes to highly pleasurable things. I speak for the trees…

I don’t think fat losers with man boobs in their pajamas waiting for the dispensary to open at 10am on a Wednesday morning are blaming the weed for their failures. I am blaming them not being able to not suck at drugs on them becoming even bigger losers than they were already predisposed to be. This is really my point.

Even greater loserdom will become manifest when marijuana is commercially available in your community.

I’m on record R.I. Let me know how this goes in a couple of years.

Ostinato Rubato wrote:
I’m gonna have disagree. I’ve yet to meet the hard drug user/experimenter who didn’t first start with weed, or alcohol, or both. There’s definitely something to weed being a first step towards other drugs for a lot of people. Like a lot of people.

I’m not saying everyone is like me. I’m really indulgent. When I first got a hand job I immediately wanted to try getting a blowjob, and so on. But also a lot of people are like me when it comes to highly pleasurable things. I speak for the trees…

I don’t think fat losers with man boobs in their pajamas waiting for the dispensary to open at 10am on a Wednesday morning are blaming the weed for their failures. I am blaming them not being able to not suck at drugs on them becoming even bigger losers than they were already predisposed to be. This is really my point.

Even greater loserdom will become manifest when marijuana is commercially available in your community.

I’m on record R.I. Let me know how this goes in a couple of years.

These are all fine arguments for (some) people not to smoke weed. They're not arguments for it to be illegal.


Besides, legalization has little to do with the role of weed and everything to do with the role of government.

It's not the government job to save people from themselves. That's some nanny state BS.

Anti-anything laws don't stop fuckups from being fuckups. That goes for drugs, guns whatever. They only make it harder for the rest of us. You're sounding like those AA types these days, what happened?

It's everyone's personal responsibility to try and not suck.

Weed is unlikely to be legal here any time soon and it's literally never been easier to get. Order whatever you want straight to your door. Don't even need to go on the darkweb. That shit is available on Instagram That said, now that illicit purchase online is the norm, the access to other stuff is now unprecedented. Before you had to know a guy who knew a guy. Now you just fire up tor and fentanyl is listed right next to hash. That isn't safer than it being available at a store at the end of the road.

Do I know people who have smoked too much pot? Yes. Would most of them still be shut-in losers without it? Yes, yes they would. Pot isn't the problem.

Just a reminder, no political topics please

This is really not politics. It's people thinking selling leaves should be illegal because they smoked the devil's lettuce and it "led" them to loving crack suppositories or whatever the fuck they ended up doing. Sorry that happened to you, I lost my son's mother to drug use so I know it's tough. But calm down with the triggering. No one has to pay for your mistakes.

You don't want to be in line with the losers in the dispensary? Here's a plan: don't go to the dispensary. How hard is that? Do you think you can handle that on your own or do you need your elected nannies to tell you no?

I've struggled with cigarettes, alcohol and even food. At no point I thought any of it should be illegal. It's my own problem and my responsibility to fix. Try that one for size.


Anyway, former druggie becomes Holier than Thou. Film at 11.

For the record, I don’t think it should be illegal. I just know that commercially available weed coming to a community isn’t really as great as it all sounds. As with all things there will always be trade offs. I’m cautioning thinking about those trade offs before celebrating like a high schooler who just got away with ditching school and hanging out at the party.

I think it’s really unfortunate that a very large percentage of people who will become regular pot users suck at doing drugs and become losers. But let’s be realistic and honest about what happens to a society, especially a large subset of males, when you put free porn in their pockets, VR on their heads, and weed down the street Monday from 10am-10pm 7 days a week.

We’ve been telling ourselves a false story where all there are no trade offs. All positives. Right…

Some scientific review for anyone who still believes weed use is completely harmless.

https://youtu.be/gXvuJu1kt48

Ostinato Rubato wrote:Some scientific review for anyone who still believes weed use is completely harmless.

https://youtu.be/gXvuJu1kt48

Welcome to 25 years ago.

It's important to remember that just because you recently discovered something doesn't mean other people haven't known it for a long time already. What's brand new to you is old hat to others.

I don't think anyone thinks it's harmless. Far from it.

Zozobra wrote:I don't think anyone thinks it's harmless. Far from it.

That. It’s far less harmful than a lot of other drugs, however.

TurboPablo wrote:

Ostinato Rubato wrote:Some scientific review for anyone who still believes weed use is completely harmless.

https://youtu.be/gXvuJu1kt48

Welcome to 25 years ago.

It's important to remember that just because you recently discovered something doesn't mean other people haven't known it for a long time already. What's brand new to you is old hat to others.

In part, obviously.

But we know a lot more now than we did 25 years ago, particularly on the extreme violence end and the actual effects on the brain. The picture has become clearer.

Ostinato Rubato wrote:For the record, I don’t think it should be illegal. I just know that commercially available weed coming to a community isn’t really as great as it all sounds. As with all things there will always be trade offs. I’m cautioning thinking about those trade offs before celebrating like a high schooler who just got away with ditching school and hanging out at the party.

I think it’s really unfortunate that a very large percentage of people who will become regular pot users suck at doing drugs and become losers. But let’s be realistic and honest about what happens to a society, especially a large subset of males, when you put free porn in their pockets, VR on their heads, and weed down the street Monday from 10am-10pm 7 days a week.

We’ve been telling ourselves a false story where all there are no trade offs. All positives. Right…

I was born in 1974. There was not a second in my lifetime where weed was not easily available in most communities.

In fact, if anything it was CHEAPER before legalization so that's maybe the one argument against legalization

But fuck putting people in jail for selling plants.

Most kids over middle school age know how and where to score drugs if they want to. Your teenage kids know where to find whatever drug they want. If they're not doing it, it's probably because they are smart kids with good parents. Not because it's illegal and they can't find it. Weed always was and still is illegal to anyone under 21. And yet, most drug users start before that age, because making it illegal does absolutely nothing to curb anything.

I would like to see the govt move further out of it and just let people grow and sell wherever. they want. Legal weed is still too regulated IMHO.

It's not all positive. Nothing is. There's a downside to just about everything. If we are going to outlaw anything that can be abused, we going to end up with maybe 2 products we can buy lol

I would love to live in a society where grown adults can make the choice to put whatever they want in their body so long as they are not hurting others, which would include pretty much all drugs. I’ve just changed my position on whether or not our society is rooted and mature enough for that to actually be a good thing.