Florida news: Zimmerman - free of all charges

[stephen sawall]

There are other cases that show further that the police have no duty to protect you.

Exactly ..... It amazes me how many people have illusions about what the police actually do. If you have the false belief the police will protect you you should really read this .... as posted above...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... f_Columbia

[EugeneTheJeep]

There are other cases that show further that the police have no duty to protect you.

Exactly ..... It amazes me how many people have illusions about what the police actually do. If you have the false belief the police will protect you you should really read this .... as posted above...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... f_Columbia

Really.

Some people even think that police are required to tell you the truth.
Lying is one the main tools of the cops.

[Casey4s]

There are other cases that show further that the police have no duty to protect you.

Exactly ..... It amazes me how many people have illusions about what the police actually do. If you have the false belief the police will protect you you should really read this .... as posted above...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... f_Columbia

Really.

Some people even think that police are required to tell you the truth.
Lying is one the main tools of the cops.

While I was on jury duty some years ago, the judge said to an upset defendant, " The police are under no obligation to tell anyone the truth during the course of an investigation". I was shocked, and the jury spent as much time discussing the ramifications of that statement as they did the actual case.

When a cop pulls you over for a routine traffic stop, that is an investigation.

When a cop stops you as a pedestrian and asks a question, that is an investigation.

They don't even have to tell each other the truth, during an investigation.

As such, you are under no obligation to believe any thing that comes out of a cops mouth.

Beware


.

[long standing member]

One of the scumbags got to have a face to face meeting with Mr.12 guage Mossberg, murdered a woman a couple of months after he showed up at my place. He beat her to death with a shovel. He coulda done that to me or my wife.

how do you know that he murdered someone? did you ask for an I.D.?
and did you follow him around for 4 months after?

I agree w/you totally, but this smells a lot like urban myth.....

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/home/ticker/L ... 12151.html

Ive known the guy since high school.

thanks for the post, I was trying to be non offensive....

You knew the murderer since high school????????

[clipless bumper]

unbelievable huh??


probably should come out of that ivory tower.........

[EugeneTheJeep]

There are other cases that show further that the police have no duty to protect you.

Exactly ..... It amazes me how many people have illusions about what the police actually do. If you have the false belief the police will protect you you should really read this .... as posted above...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... f_Columbia

Really.

Some people even think that police are required to tell you the truth.
Lying is one the main tools of the cops.

While I was on jury duty some years ago, the judge said to an upset defendant, " The police are under no obligation to tell anyone the truth during the course of an investigation". I was shocked, and the jury spent as much time discussing the ramifications of that statement as they did the actual case.

When a cop pulls you over for a routine traffic stop, that is an investigation.

When a cop stops you as a pedestrian and asks a question, that is an investigation.

They don't even have to tell each other the truth, during an investigation.

As such, you are under no obligation to believe any thing that comes out of a cops mouth.

Beware


.

Conversely, never talk to the cops. Give them zero information.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik[/video]

[Casey4s]

There are other cases that show further that the police have no duty to protect you.

Exactly ..... It amazes me how many people have illusions about what the police actually do. If you have the false belief the police will protect you you should really read this .... as posted above...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... f_Columbia

Really.

Some people even think that police are required to tell you the truth.
Lying is one the main tools of the cops.

While I was on jury duty some years ago, the judge said to an upset defendant, " The police are under no obligation to tell anyone the truth during the course of an investigation". I was shocked, and the jury spent as much time discussing the ramifications of that statement as they did the actual case.

When a cop pulls you over for a routine traffic stop, that is an investigation.

When a cop stops you as a pedestrian and asks a question, that is an investigation.

They don't even have to tell each other the truth, during an investigation.

As such, you are under no obligation to believe any thing that comes out of a cops mouth.

Beware

Conversely, never talk to the cops. Give them zero information.

Exactly, just talk in circles or act confused. Don't ever allow them to maneuver you into a defensive posture. Never appear to be intimidated.

[madrigal77]

If GZ didn't have a gun and think he's the popo, he wouldn't have gotten himself in that situation in the first place. The whole thing never would have happened if GZ didn't have a gun he didn't need.

Why do you feel he didnt need it? Its sort of obvious he needed it to defend himself.

I bolded the hypothesis

Wasnt he a member of the neighborhood watch? Doesnt their duties include......watching the neighborhood?

Yep. Watching the neighborhood. Not enforcing the laws. The name itself says it. Watch. That's what he should have been doing. If he sees anything, he calls the police and they deal with it. He's not there to bust the guy. That's the cops job.

The ONLY people that need a gun are law enforcement. Having a gun in your home is fine, though it's not something I would do as it's more likely to cause an accident than protect you. Anyone who carry's a gun with them out of their house enters the realm of total nutjob.

From what I understand, GZ actually lost site of TM. TM actually came back and attacked GZ. (All this is hearsay so I don't know if it is true or not) Either way, in the US there is a thing called citizens' arrest (not that I would attempt it or that GZ should have).

And why are you lumping everyone that carries a gun outside the home a nut job? Is it because you are Canadian? Do you guys not hunt? Do you guys not go to practice ranges? My wife used to carry a gun in her car when she traveled back and forth on a 3 1/2 hour drive that didn't have any big cities? Does that make her a nut job? I don't personally own any guns, but my wife has one (obviously). You know us South US 'Mericans are a bunch of nut jobs that love our guns and our religion

I'm not talking about people that go hunting or are bringing the gun to the range. I'm talking about nutjobs that carry the gun on them in a holster just for leaving the house. Those guys are so nuts, they actually scare me more than the criminals. The mentality of fear and paranoia that would cause someone to do that is mind blowing.

[madrigal77]

There are other cases that show further that the police have no duty to protect you.

Exactly ..... It amazes me how many people have illusions about what the police actually do. If you have the false belief the police will protect you you should really read this .... as posted above...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... f_Columbia

Really.

Some people even think that police are required to tell you the truth.
Lying is one the main tools of the cops.

While I was on jury duty some years ago, the judge said to an upset defendant, " The police are under no obligation to tell anyone the truth during the course of an investigation". I was shocked, and the jury spent as much time discussing the ramifications of that statement as they did the actual case.

When a cop pulls you over for a routine traffic stop, that is an investigation.

When a cop stops you as a pedestrian and asks a question, that is an investigation.

They don't even have to tell each other the truth, during an investigation.

As such, you are under no obligation to believe any thing that comes out of a cops mouth.

Beware

Conversely, never talk to the cops. Give them zero information.

Exactly, just talk in circles or act confused. Don't ever allow them to maneuver you into a defensive posture. Never appear to be intimidated.

That's a load of crap. You should co-operate with the cops. I'm not saying all cops are good and never wrong, but not co-operating isn't going to help things for you. You should always be polite, helpful, and honest. It's the people that are rude, evasive, and belligerent that get themselves into trouble over nothing.

[EugeneTheJeep]

There are other cases that show further that the police have no duty to protect you.

Exactly ..... It amazes me how many people have illusions about what the police actually do. If you have the false belief the police will protect you you should really read this .... as posted above...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... f_Columbia

Really.

Some people even think that police are required to tell you the truth.
Lying is one the main tools of the cops.

While I was on jury duty some years ago, the judge said to an upset defendant, " The police are under no obligation to tell anyone the truth during the course of an investigation". I was shocked, and the jury spent as much time discussing the ramifications of that statement as they did the actual case.

When a cop pulls you over for a routine traffic stop, that is an investigation.

When a cop stops you as a pedestrian and asks a question, that is an investigation.

They don't even have to tell each other the truth, during an investigation.

As such, you are under no obligation to believe any thing that comes out of a cops mouth.

Beware

Conversely, never talk to the cops. Give them zero information.

Exactly, just talk in circles or act confused. Don't ever allow them to maneuver you into a defensive posture. Never appear to be intimidated.

That's a load of crap. You should co-operate with the cops. I'm not saying all cops are good and never wrong, but not co-operating isn't going to help things for you. You should always be polite, helpful, and honest. It's the people that are rude, evasive, and belligerent that get themselves into trouble over nothing.

Watch that video. No need to be rude, evasive or belligerent (it's actually stupid to do that around cops). Just don't give them any evidence which could used against you. Watch the video. Over-talking can get you into trouble.

[EugeneTheJeep]

If GZ didn't have a gun and think he's the popo, he wouldn't have gotten himself in that situation in the first place. The whole thing never would have happened if GZ didn't have a gun he didn't need.

Why do you feel he didnt need it? Its sort of obvious he needed it to defend himself.

I bolded the hypothesis

Wasnt he a member of the neighborhood watch? Doesnt their duties include......watching the neighborhood?

Yep. Watching the neighborhood. Not enforcing the laws. The name itself says it. Watch. That's what he should have been doing. If he sees anything, he calls the police and they deal with it. He's not there to bust the guy. That's the cops job.

The ONLY people that need a gun are law enforcement. Having a gun in your home is fine, though it's not something I would do as it's more likely to cause an accident than protect you. Anyone who carry's a gun with them out of their house enters the realm of total nutjob.

From what I understand, GZ actually lost site of TM. TM actually came back and attacked GZ. (All this is hearsay so I don't know if it is true or not) Either way, in the US there is a thing called citizens' arrest (not that I would attempt it or that GZ should have).

And why are you lumping everyone that carries a gun outside the home a nut job? Is it because you are Canadian? Do you guys not hunt? Do you guys not go to practice ranges? My wife used to carry a gun in her car when she traveled back and forth on a 3 1/2 hour drive that didn't have any big cities? Does that make her a nut job? I don't personally own any guns, but my wife has one (obviously). You know us South US 'Mericans are a bunch of nut jobs that love our guns and our religion

I'm not talking about people that go hunting or are bringing the gun to the range. I'm talking about nutjobs that carry the gun on them in a holster just for leaving the house. Those guys are so nuts, they actually scare me more than the criminals. The mentality of fear and paranoia that would cause someone to do that is mind blowing.

I know quite a few people that carry guns with them. Generally good people who want to be prepared. Some of those people would probably consider you naive (considering the current state of the world).

Personally I think that the risk is too great to have guns around all the time (I have kids), so I don't carry.

The people that legally carry are not really the problem. It's the people that illegally carry that are the problem.

[madrigal77]

If GZ didn't have a gun and think he's the popo, he wouldn't have gotten himself in that situation in the first place. The whole thing never would have happened if GZ didn't have a gun he didn't need.

Why do you feel he didnt need it? Its sort of obvious he needed it to defend himself.

I bolded the hypothesis

Wasnt he a member of the neighborhood watch? Doesnt their duties include......watching the neighborhood?

Yep. Watching the neighborhood. Not enforcing the laws. The name itself says it. Watch. That's what he should have been doing. If he sees anything, he calls the police and they deal with it. He's not there to bust the guy. That's the cops job.

The ONLY people that need a gun are law enforcement. Having a gun in your home is fine, though it's not something I would do as it's more likely to cause an accident than protect you. Anyone who carry's a gun with them out of their house enters the realm of total nutjob.

From what I understand, GZ actually lost site of TM. TM actually came back and attacked GZ. (All this is hearsay so I don't know if it is true or not) Either way, in the US there is a thing called citizens' arrest (not that I would attempt it or that GZ should have).

And why are you lumping everyone that carries a gun outside the home a nut job? Is it because you are Canadian? Do you guys not hunt? Do you guys not go to practice ranges? My wife used to carry a gun in her car when she traveled back and forth on a 3 1/2 hour drive that didn't have any big cities? Does that make her a nut job? I don't personally own any guns, but my wife has one (obviously). You know us South US 'Mericans are a bunch of nut jobs that love our guns and our religion

I'm not talking about people that go hunting or are bringing the gun to the range. I'm talking about nutjobs that carry the gun on them in a holster just for leaving the house. Those guys are so nuts, they actually scare me more than the criminals. The mentality of fear and paranoia that would cause someone to do that is mind blowing.

I know quite a few people that carry guns with them. Generally good people who want to be prepared. Some of those people would probably consider you naive (considering the current state of the world).

Personally I think that the risk is too great to have guns around all the time (I have kids), so I don't carry.

The people that legally carry are not really the problem. It's the people that illegally carry that are the problem.

I'm sorry, but your friends are nutjobs. I would look into getting them the psychological help they clearly need.

[EugeneTheJeep]

If GZ didn't have a gun and think he's the popo, he wouldn't have gotten himself in that situation in the first place. The whole thing never would have happened if GZ didn't have a gun he didn't need.

Why do you feel he didnt need it? Its sort of obvious he needed it to defend himself.

I bolded the hypothesis

Wasnt he a member of the neighborhood watch? Doesnt their duties include......watching the neighborhood?

Yep. Watching the neighborhood. Not enforcing the laws. The name itself says it. Watch. That's what he should have been doing. If he sees anything, he calls the police and they deal with it. He's not there to bust the guy. That's the cops job.

The ONLY people that need a gun are law enforcement. Having a gun in your home is fine, though it's not something I would do as it's more likely to cause an accident than protect you. Anyone who carry's a gun with them out of their house enters the realm of total nutjob.

From what I understand, GZ actually lost site of TM. TM actually came back and attacked GZ. (All this is hearsay so I don't know if it is true or not) Either way, in the US there is a thing called citizens' arrest (not that I would attempt it or that GZ should have).

And why are you lumping everyone that carries a gun outside the home a nut job? Is it because you are Canadian? Do you guys not hunt? Do you guys not go to practice ranges? My wife used to carry a gun in her car when she traveled back and forth on a 3 1/2 hour drive that didn't have any big cities? Does that make her a nut job? I don't personally own any guns, but my wife has one (obviously). You know us South US 'Mericans are a bunch of nut jobs that love our guns and our religion

I'm not talking about people that go hunting or are bringing the gun to the range. I'm talking about nutjobs that carry the gun on them in a holster just for leaving the house. Those guys are so nuts, they actually scare me more than the criminals. The mentality of fear and paranoia that would cause someone to do that is mind blowing.

I know quite a few people that carry guns with them. Generally good people who want to be prepared. Some of those people would probably consider you naive (considering the current state of the world).

Personally I think that the risk is too great to have guns around all the time (I have kids), so I don't carry.

The people that legally carry are not really the problem. It's the people that illegally carry that are the problem.

I'm sorry, but your friends are nutjobs. I would look into getting them the psychological help they clearly need.

You're very naive if you don't think the world is a dangerous place.

[madrigal77]

If GZ didn't have a gun and think he's the popo, he wouldn't have gotten himself in that situation in the first place. The whole thing never would have happened if GZ didn't have a gun he didn't need.

Why do you feel he didnt need it? Its sort of obvious he needed it to defend himself.

I bolded the hypothesis

Wasnt he a member of the neighborhood watch? Doesnt their duties include......watching the neighborhood?

Yep. Watching the neighborhood. Not enforcing the laws. The name itself says it. Watch. That's what he should have been doing. If he sees anything, he calls the police and they deal with it. He's not there to bust the guy. That's the cops job.

The ONLY people that need a gun are law enforcement. Having a gun in your home is fine, though it's not something I would do as it's more likely to cause an accident than protect you. Anyone who carry's a gun with them out of their house enters the realm of total nutjob.

From what I understand, GZ actually lost site of TM. TM actually came back and attacked GZ. (All this is hearsay so I don't know if it is true or not) Either way, in the US there is a thing called citizens' arrest (not that I would attempt it or that GZ should have).

And why are you lumping everyone that carries a gun outside the home a nut job? Is it because you are Canadian? Do you guys not hunt? Do you guys not go to practice ranges? My wife used to carry a gun in her car when she traveled back and forth on a 3 1/2 hour drive that didn't have any big cities? Does that make her a nut job? I don't personally own any guns, but my wife has one (obviously). You know us South US 'Mericans are a bunch of nut jobs that love our guns and our religion

I'm not talking about people that go hunting or are bringing the gun to the range. I'm talking about nutjobs that carry the gun on them in a holster just for leaving the house. Those guys are so nuts, they actually scare me more than the criminals. The mentality of fear and paranoia that would cause someone to do that is mind blowing.

I know quite a few people that carry guns with them. Generally good people who want to be prepared. Some of those people would probably consider you naive (considering the current state of the world).

Personally I think that the risk is too great to have guns around all the time (I have kids), so I don't carry.

The people that legally carry are not really the problem. It's the people that illegally carry that are the problem.

I'm sorry, but your friends are nutjobs. I would look into getting them the psychological help they clearly need.

You're very naive if you don't think the world is a dangerous place.

Oh, it is. But that doesn't mean you live your life in fear and bring a gun wherever you go, so you can shoot in the general direction of danger if it arises.

[clipless bumper]

People who don't understand guns shouldn't even comment.

Yeah, 'shoot in the general direction' is how it's done.......

[madrigal77]

People who don't understand guns shouldn't even comment.

Yeah, 'shoot in the general direction' is how it's done.......

That's what tends to happen because people panic. And yes, because my opinion differs from yours, I "don't understand guns"

[Lloyd Blankfein]

Canadiens (lol) and anyone outside the US really don't have the frame of reference required to speak about guns in America.

You won't understand. America is not Canada, it's not Italy, Germany or Sweden or Japan.

Nowhere on earth has the mix of race, religion or opinions that we have in America. You could never completely understand the dynamics of this country. Because of that, you will never truly understand or realize the gun issues here or why a person or persons in this country would feel the need to possess such a tool.

Perhaps a person from a country of similar unrest would understand, but they certainly won't have roots in Canada or Europe.

Sure you may have an opinion, it will just be frameless.

[madrigal77]

Canadiens (lol) and anyone outside the US really don't have the frame of reference required to speak about guns in America.

You won't understand. America is not Canada, it's not Italy, Germany or Sweden or Japan.

Nowhere on earth has the mix of race, religion or opinions that we have in America. You could never completely understand the dynamics of this country. Because of that, you will never truly understand or realize the gun issues here or why a person or persons in this country would feel the need to possess such a tool.

Perhaps a person from a country of similar unrest would understand, but they certainly won't have roots in Canada or Europe.

Sure you may have an opinion, it will just be frameless.

What a load of crap. We understand the US just fine. We get all you media and news and most of us visit often. Canada has close to as much of a mix as the US. The difference being you have more Latinos and we have more Indians/Pakistani.

Your whole gun obsession comes from your war with the British. Well that was hundreds of years ago. It's time to move on and live in a civilized world.

Also, it's not a "tool", it's a weapon designed for the sole purpose of dealing death.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

Canadiens (lol) and anyone outside the US really don't have the frame of reference required to speak about guns in America.

You won't understand. America is not Canada, it's not Italy, Germany or Sweden or Japan.

Nowhere on earth has the mix of race, religion or opinions that we have in America. You could never completely understand the dynamics of this country. Because of that, you will never truly understand or realize the gun issues here or why a person or persons in this country would feel the need to possess such a tool.

Perhaps a person from a country of similar unrest would understand, but they certainly won't have roots in Canada or Europe.

Sure you may have an opinion, it will just be frameless.

What a load of crap. We understand the US just fine. We get all you media and news and most of us visit often. Canada has close to as much of a mix as the US. The difference being you have more Latinos and we have more Indians/Pakistani.

Your whole gun obsession comes from your war with the British. Well that was hundreds of years ago. It's time to move on and live in a civilized world.

Also, it's not a "tool", it's a weapon designed for the sole purpose of dealing death.

No, it's a tool.

Noun
A device or implement, esp. one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

My explanation is correct- a contrast to your overly emotional assumption/statement.

You know as much about this country as anyone who has seen the Tom green show who also once visited Canada. Think about it. Real hard.

You haven't a clue and it's well represented and proven throughout this thread. Repeatedly.

[Meelosh]

Texas and farmers.

[madrigal77]

Canadiens (lol) and anyone outside the US really don't have the frame of reference required to speak about guns in America.

You won't understand. America is not Canada, it's not Italy, Germany or Sweden or Japan.

Nowhere on earth has the mix of race, religion or opinions that we have in America. You could never completely understand the dynamics of this country. Because of that, you will never truly understand or realize the gun issues here or why a person or persons in this country would feel the need to possess such a tool.

Perhaps a person from a country of similar unrest would understand, but they certainly won't have roots in Canada or Europe.

Sure you may have an opinion, it will just be frameless.

What a load of crap. We understand the US just fine. We get all you media and news and most of us visit often. Canada has close to as much of a mix as the US. The difference being you have more Latinos and we have more Indians/Pakistani.

Your whole gun obsession comes from your war with the British. Well that was hundreds of years ago. It's time to move on and live in a civilized world.

Also, it's not a "tool", it's a weapon designed for the sole purpose of dealing death.

No, it's a tool.

Noun
A device or implement, esp. one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

My explanation is correct- a contrast to your overly emotional assumption/statement.

You know as much about this country as anyone who has seen the Tom green show who also once visited Canada. Think about it. Real hard.

You haven't a clue and it's well represented and proven throughout this thread. Repeatedly.

What a stupid thing to say. I lived in the US as a child and have spent plenty of time there. Again, you're simply saying I don't understand because you don't agree with me. Don't you have a better argument than that?

And that definition you used is so broad, it's ridiculous. By that definition, anything held in the hand like a wallet, iPhone, ect... is a tool. While they technically are, no one goes around saying their wallet is a "money holding tool" or iPhone is a "voice communications tool". It's equally as absurd to call a weapon a tool.

[Lloyd Blankfein]

What a stupid thing to say. I lived in the US as a child and have spent plenty of time there. Again, you're simply saying I don't understand because you don't agree with me. Don't you have a better argument than that?

And that definition you used is so broad, it's ridiculous. By that definition, anything held in the hand like a wallet, iPhone, ect... is a tool. While they technically are, no one goes around saying their wallet is a "money holding tool" or iPhone is a "voice communications tool". It's equally as absurd to call a weapon a tool.

I would argue America has changed more in the past 10 years than it did in the previous 30-50.


You're right, they call an iPhone a 'Phone.' A money holding tool is called a wallet.


Now, keep up, a Firearm is called a gun.


You essentially, unbeknownst to yourself, proved my point. No one refers to a phone as a, "voice communications tool"- just as they don't refer to a gun as a "life taking, death dealing, flashy out the barrel thingy, boom stick."


In your diluted thought process, an iPhone could also very well be described as a text messaging head-on car crash causing electronic death dealer. But it isn't. It's simply an iPhone. The only process that changes the tool's consequence is the very soul's goal who possesses such a tool. Same with a firearm, a gun or a wallet.

The most dangerous link in a chain where a firearm is discharged ending in a life taken is the sole manipulator. Not the firearm. Banning a tool does nothing.

What are the stats where a legal firearm carrier who possesses a conceal and cary permit has been found guilty of murder vs. those who possess firearms illegally? The firearm has been banned for those illegal users however, it does nothing.

What are the stats?

[stephen sawall]

Look at the crime index of where you live and central Florida ..... I lived a few miles south of Sanford years ago. At that time it's crime index was about 240. The crime rate there is higher than a lot of places .... It not exactly a real nice place.

[Orbis_Ignis]

Like that's hard



I've gotten some pretty funny threats on here. If I wasn't lol'ing so hard I would offer to take them up on my free ass beating then I could go all aggro and shoot people






Lol jk guns are for retards

Why dont you like guns?

Because its cool to hate guns around here

Wha? He lives in Texas. Hating guns is grounds to get shot. Also, Dave doesn't really hate guns, he hates conformity. If he lived in Oregon he'd hate bongs.

I was talking about GAB. I guess you guys didn't realize I was just joking.

[Orbis_Ignis]

I don't carry or own a gun, but I don't blame anyone for carrying one legally. When a piece of shit criminal is choosing his/her target, I'm pretty sure they aren't going to pick the person that's packing.

I really don't know the dynamics of Canada, eh, but almost every gas station owned down here in La is owned by an Indian/Pakistani. My brother-in-law's, not a gas station owner but a very intelligent engineer (in fact he graduated at the top of his class at MIT), parents are from Bangladesh. I see just as many, if not more, Indian/Pakistani people as I do Mexican/Latin people. Of course, that is just here and I'm not sure about the rest of the US.