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fretless wrote:so I emailed CDC yesterday and in a very timely manner they replied today , this is their reply :

Kinda generic but I thought I'd share . Vaccine ingredients ??? Who knows .. baby blood , Popes saliva ??? Tmobile chips ??? but Thanks CDC

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clipless bumper wrote:

facefirst wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

facefirst wrote:........My friend’s wife is a scientist and she schooled me on the vaccine. It is completely safe and it was obviously made a national priority to develop but it still went through all the stringent testing that any vaccine would go through.

not saying your wife is wrong - but can you explain to a layman how you can test for long-term affects with a short-term testing duration??
For instance - the vaccine is effective this 'season' but has unwanted affects the next time the virus comes around (not specifically talking about CoViD here).

This type of vaccine has been in development for a while. While not specifically aimed at COVID initially it was aimed at similar viruses. So basically it’s been tested a lot before COVID was even a thing. So the delivery agent has no sort of secret side effects. The actual vaccine takes a small, almost inert amount of COVID and gives it to your body to fight. From that your body “learns” how to combat it. Second dose is higher, hence some people feeling like ass for a day or two.

Now this is a dumbed down explanation. I’m not a scientist by a long stretch.

By 'this type of virus' - you mean an mRNA vaccine? That is probably the most concerning to me as it has never been used outside of research or testing as far as I know. I'm not comfortable with it - don't know what it does in your body, or to your DNA.

As for the second part - I thought only the J&J vaccine had any of the actual virus in it - the others (mRNA) did not have any of the virus, they only modified your body to fight off the carrier/shell/'attachment method' of the virus.

Lots of conflicting info out there.

facefirst wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

facefirst wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

facefirst wrote:........My friend’s wife is a scientist and she schooled me on the vaccine. It is completely safe and it was obviously made a national priority to develop but it still went through all the stringent testing that any vaccine would go through.

not saying your wife is wrong - but can you explain to a layman how you can test for long-term affects with a short-term testing duration??
For instance - the vaccine is effective this 'season' but has unwanted affects the next time the virus comes around (not specifically talking about CoViD here).

This type of vaccine has been in development for a while. While not specifically aimed at COVID initially it was aimed at similar viruses. So basically it’s been tested a lot before COVID was even a thing. So the delivery agent has no sort of secret side effects. The actual vaccine takes a small, almost inert amount of COVID and gives it to your body to fight. From that your body “learns” how to combat it. Second dose is higher, hence some people feeling like ass for a day or two.

Now this is a dumbed down explanation. I’m not a scientist by a long stretch.

By 'this type of virus' - you mean an mRNA vaccine? That is probably the most concerning to me as it has never been used outside of research or testing as far as I know. I'm not comfortable with it - don't know what it does in your body, or to your DNA.

As for the second part - I thought only the J&J vaccine had any of the actual virus in it - the others (mRNA) did not have any of the virus, they only modified your body to fight off the carrier/shell/'attachment method' of the virus.

Lots of conflicting info out there.

I actually just fired off an email to my buddy's wife to clarify as much as she can. She has nothing to do with the vaccines but with her credentials I'd say she's better qualified than me with my graphic design degree.

greatmutah wrote:Endtime: as far as your body knowing when to stop processing mRNA of any kind, mRNA has a start and stop codon. In between those codons is the nucleic acid sequence that codes the protein, in this case a spike protein. Leading up to that start codon, is a string of amino acids. Every time that mRNA is translated to make a protein, part of that string gets cleft and shortened. Eventually the start codon sequence itself gets cleft and it can no longer be translated and coded into a protein. At that point the rest of the mRNA is degraded by the cells. mRNA, whether manufactured by our own cells or supplanted by a vaccine still consists of the same 4 nucleic acids.

Landshark wrote:

greatmutah wrote:Endtime: as far as your body knowing when to stop processing mRNA of any kind, mRNA has a start and stop codon. In between those codons is the nucleic acid sequence that codes the protein, in this case a spike protein. Leading up to that start codon, is a string of amino acids. Every time that mRNA is translated to make a protein, part of that string gets cleft and shortened. Eventually the start codon sequence itself gets cleft and it can no longer be translated and coded into a protein. At that point the rest of the mRNA is degraded by the cells. mRNA, whether manufactured by our own cells or supplanted by a vaccine still consists of the same 4 nucleic acids.

EndTime wrote:

facefirst wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

facefirst wrote:

clipless bumper wrote:

facefirst wrote:........My friend’s wife is a scientist and she schooled me on the vaccine. It is completely safe and it was obviously made a national priority to develop but it still went through all the stringent testing that any vaccine would go through.

not saying your wife is wrong - but can you explain to a layman how you can test for long-term affects with a short-term testing duration??
For instance - the vaccine is effective this 'season' but has unwanted affects the next time the virus comes around (not specifically talking about CoViD here).

This type of vaccine has been in development for a while. While not specifically aimed at COVID initially it was aimed at similar viruses. So basically it’s been tested a lot before COVID was even a thing. So the delivery agent has no sort of secret side effects. The actual vaccine takes a small, almost inert amount of COVID and gives it to your body to fight. From that your body “learns” how to combat it. Second dose is higher, hence some people feeling like ass for a day or two.

Now this is a dumbed down explanation. I’m not a scientist by a long stretch.

By 'this type of virus' - you mean an mRNA vaccine? That is probably the most concerning to me as it has never been used outside of research or testing as far as I know. I'm not comfortable with it - don't know what it does in your body, or to your DNA.

As for the second part - I thought only the J&J vaccine had any of the actual virus in it - the others (mRNA) did not have any of the virus, they only modified your body to fight off the carrier/shell/'attachment method' of the virus.

Lots of conflicting info out there.

I actually just fired off an email to my buddy's wife to clarify as much as she can. She has nothing to do with the vaccines but with her credentials I'd say she's better qualified than me with my graphic design degree.

Yeah its not that complicated. Altho, I don't know about the Johnson and Johnson,, the statement about the vaccine having small amount of virus is not correct.. At least not any of the earliest ones which were the ones first available.. mRNA is in fact something we already have in our bodies. The concerns of people, and this even includes good ol Billionaire boy Zuckerburg who had video leaked of him in June stating there is no way to know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines.. And when a guy that connected all has these concerns, it seems pretty sad that people feel anyone who has HEALTHY skepticism about what they put in their body is a conspiracy guy or anti this or anti whatever.. Fact is, it has never been used in a mass vaccination.. That alone should be perfectly acceptable to have questions.. Which is also why medical facilities can't MANDATE its use because it was pushed thru at a pace that has also never been done.. I believe that translates to ALL work places.. I don't see why it wouldn't, but I know this from people who work in hospitals. I was working for a Doctor recently and She was vaccinated and I asked if it was mandated cause she was a doctor and she said it wasn't and that they CANT mandate it because it was fast tracked to whatever its called..

Back to the mRNA, this is simply messengers at the cellular level. And in the case of the Covid vaccine, its injecting you with these "Messengers" To communicate with your immune system to produce a very specific antibody to fight against covid. Ok, fair enough I guess. But the next logical question is what happens to this foreign mRNA thats been injected into my body. Again, this has never been done.. And the answer given is, the mRNA is weak and our body will recognize its a foreign body and attack it and rid ourselves of it.. Maybe.... I mean, thats what they say right? I think its prolly got some truth and some unknown. Because, even tho early on in the original thread about Covid, I got sorta mocked by being cut from a different cloth when it comes to how I deal with my health and body.. But I also know a fair amount about my immune system and one of the pillars of health, in a natural more wholistic way, is to truly CHANGE, you must get down to the cellular level.. And this is also capable thru natural ways of health and living.. So when a vaccine is being put in my body to utilize the mRNA, I have definite pause..

As far as changing DNA and all that, a vaccine would never be able to do that unless it really is an intelligent design.. And before people mock again, take a look at Hydrogel used for vaccines. Or for use in potential cancer fighting .Its whats next.. Hydrogel is going to be something that may be able to crosslink intelligent technology at the cellular level . This isn't SCI-Fi.. Its SCI-real and this "Hybrid human" already even being talked about by dudes like Musk and other people who think it'll be cool to control the TV from an implant in your head or some shit. lolol.. There are people who are moving towards that and I don't think its even a question it WILL happen one day.. And again, I bring that up because it also deals with mRNA.. SO yeah, I the actual Covid Vaccine gonna do any of that? Highly doubt it. Is that mRNA injected in your body truly going to be taken care of AFTER it tells my body to produce the antibodies?? Again, sounds SCI-Fi, but this is exactly what its doing. I simply question how my body can receive the message and then also realize it needs to rid myself of this mRNA..

So there ya go.. Covid Vaccines prolly do what they say it does. Its also coming down the pike some futuristic shit that certainly doesn't seem as innocent, but it'll surely be used to prolly rid us of Cancer.. So you'll have a choice.. Take some Hybrid "medicines" that inject artificial Intelligence, or die of cancer.?. Its coming.. Rock and a hard place. And again, this is all available for your own research.. Just take a look around.. ITs easy to find and learn

Ostinato Rubato wrote:There might be cures for some cancers that are secondary to other issues but we will never rid ourselves of cancer writ large.

Anybody who tells you that is selling you a fantasy. The process of cellular senescence (aging) and the formation cancer cells are bounded together as flip sides of the same coin. We might be able to dial in a happy medium between long life and DELAYED formation of cancer such that cancer becomes less a cause of death, but we’re stuck with cancer as we are stuck with aging.

IndyWS6 wrote:Something I haven't seen addressed and I'm curious about...

Let's say a person was infected at some point and displayed several symptoms but was never dangerously ill, so they were never tested. Common sense says they should have the antibodies, but they wouldn't be able to "prove" they were infected without a test. They subsequently get vaccinated. Would there then be any way to determine if they had COVID prior to the vaccination? My guess is no, based on the assumption that a post-vaccination test would not be able to distinguish between antibodies created during an actual infection from those created due to vaccination. Has anyone seen this scenario discussed?

rock flag and eagle wrote:The second dose KICKED MY ASS. I had it Saturday morning, felt fine all Saturday, just a little dehydrated. Sunday at 2 AM I woke up feeling cold, throbbing headache, my body ache and legs were restless. I pretty much slept all Sunday and felt the same. Monday, I was feeling better but still a little bit of everything. Today I'm just feeling slightly dehydrated.

clipless bumper wrote:

rock flag and eagle wrote:The second dose KICKED MY ASS. I had it Saturday morning, felt fine all Saturday, just a little dehydrated. Sunday at 2 AM I woke up feeling cold, throbbing headache, my body ache and legs were restless. I pretty much slept all Sunday and felt the same. Monday, I was feeling better but still a little bit of everything. Today I'm just feeling slightly dehydrated.

which vaccine was it?