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Posted: **Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:42 am**

Good to hear!

Posted: **Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:19 am**

Rumpleforeskin wrote:Thank you everyone for the well wishes. She's done well. Her headache is better than yesterday, no more diarrhea or nausea, the fatigue is still there, but the chills and achiness is gone. The sense of taste and smell is still gone, but her breathing issues are no more.

Still strange that there's been no fever.

As for the parents, no adverse side effects from the vaccines that they've relayed to me. My dad is in his 80's while on chemo and my mom is in her 70's just plugging along.

Great to hear!

Posted: **Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:12 pm**

Rumpleforeskin wrote:Thank you everyone for the well wishes. She's done well. Her headache is better than yesterday, no more diarrhea or nausea, the fatigue is still there, but the chills and achiness is gone. The sense of taste and smell is still gone, but her breathing issues are no more.

Still strange that there's been no fever.

As for the parents, no adverse side effects from the vaccines that they've relayed to me. My dad is in his 80's while on chemo and my mom is in her 70's just plugging along.

Awesome. Glad to hear she's on the mend.

Posted: **Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:35 pm**

Just got back from getting my g/f's 90 year old mother her second Moderna dose. So far, no reactions.

The g/f and I have an appointment for April 26th... not sure if it's one dose or two because, the email confirmation didn't give us a second appointment.

EDIT: Just found out that, I'll be getting Pfizer and they'll schedule the second dose when I receive the first.
I have drive 60 miles, each way... and I have to go back to the same location to get the second dose! :lol:

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:53 am**

I have my first dose on Monday, and the second on 4/19.

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:45 pm**

ajaxlepinski wrote:Just got back from getting my g/f's 90 year old mother her second Moderna dose. So far, no reactions.

The g/f and I have an appointment for April 26th... not sure if it's one dose or two because, the email confirmation didn't give us a second appointment.

EDIT: Just found out that, I'll be getting Pfizer and the'll schedule the second dose when I receive the first.
I have drive 60 miles, each way... and I have to go back to the same location to get the second dose!

I'm curious, when you get your first dose, do they have a matching second dose stored until you come back? Like this-second-dose-vaccine-vial-belongs-to-ajax-lepinski? Or is it like, this dude is back, says he needs a second dose, and they just grab you one out of the freezer? :idk:

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:46 pm**

itchyfingers wrote:
ajaxlepinski wrote:Just got back from getting my g/f's 90 year old mother her second Moderna dose. So far, no reactions.

The g/f and I have an appointment for April 26th... not sure if it's one dose or two because, the email confirmation didn't give us a second appointment.

EDIT: Just found out that, I'll be getting Pfizer and the'll schedule the second dose when I receive the first.
I have drive 60 miles, each way... and I have to go back to the same location to get the second dose!

I'm curious, when you get your first dose, do they have a matching second dose stored until you come back? Like this-second-dose-vaccine-vial-belongs-to-ajax-lepinski? Or is it like, this dude is back, says he needs a second dose, and they just grab you one out of the freezer?

Beats me... I'm guessing they have a vaccine delivery schedule that matches their dispensing schedule, with a few days backup?

Posted: **Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:29 pm**

Drove an hour to rural Oregon to get my first Moderna shot on Friday from a small pharmacy/liquor store. They’re taking all comers as they have more vaccines than takers. Scheduled to return in 28 days for the second.

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:58 pm**

Just got my first Pfizer shot today. Go back in a few weeks. Simple process at the Cleveland State arena. Took about 10 minutes. I was surprised by the efficiency.

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:00 pm**

itchyfingers wrote:
ajaxlepinski wrote:Just got back from getting my g/f's 90 year old mother her second Moderna dose. So far, no reactions.

The g/f and I have an appointment for April 26th... not sure if it's one dose or two because, the email confirmation didn't give us a second appointment.

EDIT: Just found out that, I'll be getting Pfizer and the'll schedule the second dose when I receive the first.
I have drive 60 miles, each way... and I have to go back to the same location to get the second dose!

I'm curious, when you get your first dose, do they have a matching second dose stored until you come back? Like this-second-dose-vaccine-vial-belongs-to-ajax-lepinski? Or is it like, this dude is back, says he needs a second dose, and they just grab you one out of the freezer?

You get scheduled for a second appointment the time of your first shot. You bring the card with you when you go back. They have it all planned accordingly. But no, there’s no a vial of Pfizer sitting around waiting for you to come back.

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:02 pm**

Ostinato Rubato wrote:I'd just like to say that hesitance toward these vaccines is warranted and does not put a person in the "anti-vax" camp. Your reasons for being hesitant might come from the same conspiratorial modes of thinking which would make you "anti-vax" or they might come from a whole other set of reasonable concerns.

Put me in the reasonable concerns camp. I'm not flatly rejecting these vaccines but I'll be cautiously observant until this has actually completed what would be normal duration of testing. I just want to thank each and every person who is getting the vaccine, as your willingness to be a part of this larger clinical trial will provide me with the information needed over the next couple years before I get it.

We need brave people on the front lines of food and drug safety. Here's to all you brave soldiers!

My friend’s wife is a scientist and she schooled me on the vaccine. It is completely safe and it was obviously made a national priority to develop but it still went through all the stringent testing that any vaccine would go through.

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:15 pm**

facefirst wrote:........My friend’s wife is a scientist and she schooled me on the vaccine. It is completely safe and it was obviously made a national priority to develop but it still went through all the stringent testing that any vaccine would go through.

not saying your wife is wrong - but can you explain to a layman how you can test for long-term affects with a short-term testing duration??
For instance - the vaccine is effective this 'season' but has unwanted affects the next time the virus comes around (not specifically talking about CoViD here).

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:00 pm**

First one done. I’m surprised they took me, because of the blatant hand injury that I covered with duct tape.

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:11 pm**

facefirst wrote:
Ostinato Rubato wrote:I'd just like to say that hesitance toward these vaccines is warranted and does not put a person in the "anti-vax" camp. Your reasons for being hesitant might come from the same conspiratorial modes of thinking which would make you "anti-vax" or they might come from a whole other set of reasonable concerns.

Put me in the reasonable concerns camp. I'm not flatly rejecting these vaccines but I'll be cautiously observant until this has actually completed what would be normal duration of testing. I just want to thank each and every person who is getting the vaccine, as your willingness to be a part of this larger clinical trial will provide me with the information needed over the next couple years before I get it.

We need brave people on the front lines of food and drug safety. Here's to all you brave soldiers!

My friend’s wife is a scientist and she schooled me on the vaccine. It is completely safe and it was obviously made a national priority to develop but it still went through all the stringent testing that any vaccine would go through.

I know for a fact that they skipped the animal trials but they also usually run about 5 years of tests on a new vaccine to determine long term effects which they couldn't do with this one.

I'd be very doubtful of anyone who says they're a scientist while saying they conducted all the stringent tests. It just isn't true... even if in the end it was as safe as any other. Plus there's lots of fields of science.

Like bro science, which I obviously study. lol

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:59 pm**

clipless bumper wrote:
facefirst wrote:........My friend’s wife is a scientist and she schooled me on the vaccine. It is completely safe and it was obviously made a national priority to develop but it still went through all the stringent testing that any vaccine would go through.

not saying your wife is wrong - but can you explain to a layman how you can test for long-term affects with a short-term testing duration??
For instance - the vaccine is effective this 'season' but has unwanted affects the next time the virus comes around (not specifically talking about CoViD here).

This type of vaccine has been in development for a while. While not specifically aimed at COVID initially it was aimed at similar viruses. So basically it’s been tested a lot before COVID was even a thing. So the delivery agent has no sort of secret side effects. The actual vaccine takes a small, almost inert amount of COVID and gives it to your body to fight. From that your body “learns” how to combat it. Second dose is higher, hence some people feeling like ass for a day or two.

Now this is a dumbed down explanation. I’m not a scientist by a long stretch.

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:00 pm**

Ostinato Rubato wrote:
facefirst wrote:
Ostinato Rubato wrote:I'd just like to say that hesitance toward these vaccines is warranted and does not put a person in the "anti-vax" camp. Your reasons for being hesitant might come from the same conspiratorial modes of thinking which would make you "anti-vax" or they might come from a whole other set of reasonable concerns.

Put me in the reasonable concerns camp. I'm not flatly rejecting these vaccines but I'll be cautiously observant until this has actually completed what would be normal duration of testing. I just want to thank each and every person who is getting the vaccine, as your willingness to be a part of this larger clinical trial will provide me with the information needed over the next couple years before I get it.

We need brave people on the front lines of food and drug safety. Here's to all you brave soldiers!

My friend’s wife is a scientist and she schooled me on the vaccine. It is completely safe and it was obviously made a national priority to develop but it still went through all the stringent testing that any vaccine would go through.

I know for a fact that they skipped the animal trials but they also usually run about 5 years of tests on a new vaccine to determine long term effects which they couldn't do with this one.

I'd be very doubtful of anyone who says they're a scientist while saying they conducted all the stringent tests. It just isn't true... even if in the end it was as safe as any other. Plus there's lots of fields of science.

Like bro science, which I obviously study. lol

so what’s your science background? You’re saying that you know things for a fact so I’m genuinely curious. Bro science made me giggle.

As far as my friend’s wife - she has a PhD in biomedical engineering, a masters in mechanical engineering and is now the assistant professor of orthopedic surgery at St. Louis University. She’s ridiculously smart.

Posted: **Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:12 pm**

facefirst wrote:
clipless bumper wrote:
facefirst wrote:........My friend’s wife is a scientist and she schooled me on the vaccine. It is completely safe and it was obviously made a national priority to develop but it still went through all the stringent testing that any vaccine would go through.

not saying your wife is wrong - but can you explain to a layman how you can test for long-term affects with a short-term testing duration??
For instance - the vaccine is effective this 'season' but has unwanted affects the next time the virus comes around (not specifically talking about CoViD here).

This type of vaccine has been in development for a while. While not specifically aimed at COVID initially it was aimed at similar viruses. So basically it’s been tested a lot before COVID was even a thing. So the delivery agent has no sort of secret side effects. The actual vaccine takes a small, almost inert amount of COVID and gives it to your body to fight. From that your body “learns” how to combat it. Second dose is higher, hence some people feeling like ass for a day or two.

Now this is a dumbed down explanation. I’m not a scientist by a long stretch.

By 'this type of virus' - you mean an mRNA vaccine? That is probably the most concerning to me as it has never been used outside of research or testing as far as I know. I'm not comfortable with it - don't know what it does in your body, or to your DNA.

As for the second part - I thought only the J&J vaccine had any of the actual virus in it - the others (mRNA) did not have any of the virus, they only modified your body to fight off the carrier/shell/'attachment method' of the virus.

Lots of conflicting info out there.

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:51 am**

It doesn’t do anything to your DNA. Seriously. mRNA in your own cells is produced and removed from the nucleus where your DNA is produced to be translated by tRNA into proteins. There’s no backward path for the central dogma of gene transcription and translation, usually. The exception is retroviruses like the HIV virus. Which COVID is not. Since the cells are picking up extraneous mRNA, the cell’s own nucleus is completely bypassed and the mRNA is transcribed into spike proteins that are taken to the surface of the cell membrane. There’s a limit to the amount of spike proteins that can be transcribed because each mRNA molecule has a a start codon with a leading tail. As the mRNA is translated repeatedly that tail shortens and eventually the start codon is degraded. The remaining mRNA is then degraded and recycled by the cells. Of note, the mRNA of a virus and the mRNA of your own cells consist of the same four amino acids: adenine, cytosine, guanine and uracil. It’s the sequence of triads of these that produce the spike proteins. The actual molecules aren’t any different than the same molecules your own body produces and as they’re degraded they can be recycled to create new mRNA sequences based off your own cells DNA or denatured and broken down and used for other purposes.

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:04 am**

I’m not a scientist but I almost had a bachelors in biology. Just never finished college. But we were studying mRNA as a potential vaccine and treatment source back about 15 years ago. This is just a proof of concept come to life.

The J&J functions similarly to a similar Ebola vaccine. An inactivated adenovirus has its genetic code modified to include a sequence to build a spike protein. As the virus is picked up by cells, the genes within the virus utilize the cells to produce the spike protein and its antigens. It’s then detected by your immune system and an immune response is triggered. The inactivated virus doesn’t replicate so the load of what you receive in the vaccine is what you get.

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:08 am**

Now all this being said, I still get any hesitance and want to research these things. And yes there’s a lot of conflicting and disinformation out there. And could there potentially be long term affects? Sure. And yes we don’t know them. But in the short term outside of the usual side affects we would expect, it’s tough to see anything else at least from the 3 approved for EUA in the states. We may see more. We may not. Hard to say. And I wish I had a better answer for you all.

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:10 am**

I've been busy educating myself as best I can with the info available out there for autoimmune diseases and the CDC and every other organization say we should get it . For me it's totally a game of Russian roulette , I'm probably gonna take that spin of the loaded gun . There also may be more restrictions on non-vaccinated peoples as this goes on and that will only complicate the everyday BS . So... there is still time to ponder it all but I'm leaning going for it . Very scary though for me . Deer Hunter mf

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:14 am**

Fretless I appreciate you sharing your thoughts here. I never would have even considered that folks with certain preexisting conditions would have to consider them in regards to vaccination.

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:19 am**

For real man. I'm glad you are, because a lot of the media presentation of those in favor vs those not seems to be a basic us vs them type mentality. And it's really not the case. Everyone who's posted here, regardless of pro or con has had some real legitimate concerns and that's good to get them out in the open and talk about them. And it helps humanize everyone who may have differing positions on this outside of the "us vs them" media narrative.

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:22 am**

Thanks Fellas ! yeah it's a difficult thing to sort out but I'll just have to take a leap . And maybe get better wifi chips too

Posted: **Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:25 am**

fretless wrote:Thanks Fellas ! yeah it's a difficult thing to sort out but I'll just have to take a leap . And maybe get better wifi chips too

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