Are breakdowns ever acceptable in a song?

jnurp · Post by **jnurp** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:01 am

post some examples of acceptable breakdowns for even the metal purists out there.

ovid9 · Post by **ovid9** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:12 am

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDzt6yI3Dw8[/video]

Sizzler · Post by **Sizzler** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:15 am

ovid9 wrote:[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDzt6yI3Dw8[/video]

JonVengeance · Post by **JonVengeance** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:21 am

I'm not going to post videos, but some good Breakdowns are found in the following songs:

Slayer - Angel of Death
Slayer - Raining Blood
Metallica - Damage Incorporated
Sepultura - Dead Embryonic Cells
Pantera - Domination

Dickarms · Post by **Dickarms** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:22 am

define breakdown. if its what i think it is, i like them in most songs.

Sizzler · Post by **Sizzler** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:23 am

JonVengeance wrote:Sepultura - Dead Embryonic Cells

One of my favorites

ovid9 · Post by **ovid9** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:23 am

Growing up listening to a lot of mid-late 90s hardcore and metal core I don't mind some breakdowns. However, by the mid/late 00s breakdown-core (as I call it) the whole thing had just gotten completely silly.

Or maybe sillier.

Either way, I got nothing to post atm, but in certain cases it works fine. However when practically your entire song is a breakdown....that's a problem.

Devin · Post by **Devin** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:25 am

Sure, breakdowns can be awesome. And not just in metal, either.

JonVengeance · Post by **JonVengeance** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:27 am

Oh yeah, I forgot Carcass "This Mortal Coil" at around 2:00

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAmmGJO03lk[/video]

jnurp · Post by **jnurp** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:29 am

oh wow dead embryotic cells I forgot about that part after the solo.

TurboPablo · Post by **TurboPablo** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:30 am

If the Cro-Mags are involved, yes.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BLcCM8nPYQ[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-UrNYzASBg[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJFthHp3aI8[/video]

jnurp · Post by **jnurp** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:44 am

JonVengeance wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot Carcass "This Mortal Coil" at around 2:00

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAmmGJO03lk[/video]

I don't consider that a breakdown its more of a half feel than a complete breakdown. A breakdown to me is when the guitars and bass go chugga chugga and the drummer plays a syncopated half tempo feel and in the video all the musicians are dancing in rhythm to the section of the song like they were the herd of animals dancing during hakuna matata.

JonVengeance · Post by **JonVengeance** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:50 am

jnurp wrote:
JonVengeance wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot Carcass "This Mortal Coil" at around 2:00

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAmmGJO03lk[/video]

I don't consider that a breakdown its more of a half feel than a complete breakdown. A breakdown to me is when the guitars and bass go chugga chugga and the drummer plays a syncopated half tempo feel and in the video all the musicians are dancing in rhythm to the section of the song like they were the herd of animals dancing during hakuna matata.

Your description is what the breakdown eventually became. Like everything else it evolves over time. I listen to a lot of fast crossover thrash and hardcore punk and those breakdowns are just riffs with a half time feel to break up the fast parts. That's pretty much how breakdowns started out. I'd say that mid '90s Victory records bands like Earth Crisis, Strife, Hatebreed and others turned the breakdown into what you are describing.

ovid9 · Post by **ovid9** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:52 am

JonVengeance wrote:
Your description is what the breakdown eventually became. Like everything else it evolves over time. I listen to a lot of fast crossover thrash and hardcore punk and those breakdowns are just riffs with a half time feel to break up the fast parts. That's pretty much how breakdowns started out. I'd say that mid '90s Victory records bands like Earth Crisis, Strife, Hatebreed and others turned the breakdown into what you are describing.

Which are exactly the a number of the bands I was talking about.

Telephant · Post by **Telephant** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:36 am

Breakdowns existed long before metal and hardcore and it means something completely different to me. :lol:

TurboPablo · Post by **TurboPablo** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:47 am

I was waiting for one of you kids to show me something.

But I guess I have to do everything myself.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNnaRHqtrDQ[/video]

Redbowties88 · Post by **Redbowties88** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:56 am

seriously?

My heart beats in breakdowns :rawk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiNAact_1vM

and really anything else by august burns red.

Silverstein has some killer breakdowns too for a band that's not nearly as heavy. Their new alum is tits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flFRe6k5Y60

JonVengeance · Post by **JonVengeance** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:57 am

paul88lx wrote:I was waiting for one of you kids to show me something.

But I guess I have to do everything myself.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNnaRHqtrDQ[/video]

I said this in post #4. I just didn't post the video.

JonVengeance wrote:I'm not going to post videos, but some good Breakdowns are found in the following songs:

Slayer - Angel of Death
Slayer - Raining Blood
Metallica - Damage Incorporated
Sepultura - Dead Embryonic Cells
Pantera - Domination

Redbowties88 · Post by **Redbowties88** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:13 am

More nasty breakdowns... evergreen terrace style

2:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzwfWNh9qqM

2:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyvAc9Q5pAU

Ostinato Rubato · Post by **Ostinato Rubato** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:53 am

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo[/video]

Dickarms · Post by **Dickarms** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:31 pm

Telephant wrote:Breakdowns existed long before metal and hardcore and it means something completely different to me.

this is why i go :freak:

to the scene breakdown talk

Telephant · Post by **Telephant** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:35 pm

Y0UNGBL00D wrote:
Telephant wrote:Breakdowns existed long before metal and hardcore and it means something completely different to me.

this is why i go to the scene breakdown talk

Fucking metal. :rolleyes:

downstemmed · Post by **downstemmed** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:46 pm

Only if they're not a pre-planned part of a song. Eg, deathcore bands write songs, with a breakdown already in mind. Like ABA-Breakdown-ABA. It generally the place of a guitar solo, because death barely hold a guitar, let alone play one. It's also why 9/10 of them use drop tunings.

jnurp · Post by **jnurp** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:45 pm

downstemmed wrote:Only if they're not a pre-planned part of a song. Eg, deathcore bands write songs, with a breakdown already in mind. Like ABA-Breakdown-ABA. It generally the place of a guitar solo, because death barely hold a guitar, let alone play one. It's also why 9/10 of them use drop tunings.

this is the best post of the thread.

benjamin801 · Post by **benjamin801** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:50 pm

Guys, just as a reminder, a breakdown can have the power, in the hands of a properly motivated group of young Latino men, to make it start snowing:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViSZI6UJEUQ[/video]

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